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edited August 8 in General

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As Mike Smithson pointed out last week, these are fallow days for political betting. We have been spoiled in recent years with a nonstop cavalcade of elections, referendums and leadership contests. We are suffering withdrawal pangs.

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  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 8,051
    Countdown on to fantasy football league.... reminder for anyone to sign up.
  • Supporter of right to bear arms, owner of fortified compound in Bulgaria, claimed that a homosexual donkey had tried to rape his horse.

    If this one doesn't win there is no justice.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,650

    Supporter of right to bear arms, owner of fortified compound in Bulgaria, claimed that a homosexual donkey had tried to rape his horse.

    If this one doesn't win there is no justice.

    It's him or the interstellar explorer for me.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    FPT

    FF43 said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Britain was No.1 it is now, for whatever reason, No.3.

    If you actually look at the report, the 'whatever reason'(s) are quite clear.
    Britain has dropped in the rankings principally on its score for 'engagement'. The metrics for this are as follows:

    Total overseas development aid
    Overseas development aid / GNI
    Number of embassies abroad
    Number of embassies in the country
    Number of consulates general abroad
    Number of permanent missions to multilateral organisations
    Membership of international organisations
    Environmental treaty signatures
    Asylum seekers per 1,000 people
    Number of diplomatic cultural missions
    Number of countries a citizen can visit visa-free
    Size of Weekly Audience of State Broadcaster
    Environmental Performance Index (EPI)

    No prizes for guessing why our score in this category dropped.

    The real question is what might happen to the rest of these measures post Brexit, and it's way too early to be certain about that. Though I'm not a massive optimist.


    So we're in the top three nations still our of nearly 200 and yet are outside the "group of international movers and shakers". If number 3 isn't in the group of international movers and shakers then just who is in your eyes and why do you cut it off there?
    Don't blame me guv, it's the report wot Carlotta quoted. They think that. They cite China, Europe, and the US as the nexus of such decision-making.

    Edit: China, the EU, and the US.
    There is no question that has been the case until now. But really your edit should have been "Germany". Or possibly "Germany and France".
    Germany and to some extent France work through the EU.
    Nope. The EU is Germany + France, with perhaps minor placings to those who are happy to drive along their Project.

    We have spent the past 25 years being ignored because we weren't signed up to the Project.
    The single market was our Project. Enlargement was accelerated at our behest and against stalling from Germany.

    The Conservatives lost one argument on the design of the single currency and some of them having stopped sulking yet.
  • The second bloke from the left looks like Rodders' fat printer mate from Goodnight Sweetheart
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0570302/mediaviewer/rm4206471936
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 3,048
    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,398
    fpt

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Britain was No.1 it is now, for whatever reason, No.3.

    If you actually look at the report, the 'whatever reason'(s) are quite clear.
    Britain has dropped in the rankings principally on its score for 'engagement'. The metrics for this are as follows:

    Total overseas development aid
    Overseas development aid / GNI
    Number of embassies abroad
    Number of embassies in the country
    Number of consulates general abroad
    Number of permanent missions to multilateral organisations
    Membership of international organisations
    Environmental treaty signatures
    Asylum seekers per 1,000 people
    Number of diplomatic cultural missions
    Number of countries a citizen can visit visa-free
    Size of Weekly Audience of State Broadcaster
    Environmental Performance Index (EPI)

    No prizes for guessing why our score in this category dropped.

    The real question is what might happen to the rest of these measures post Brexit, and it's way too early to be certain about that. Though I'm not a massive optimist.


    So we're in the top three nations still our of nearly 200 and yet are outside the "group of international movers and shakers". If number 3 isn't in the group of international movers and shakers then just who is in your eyes and why do you cut it off there?
    Don't blame me guv, it's the report wot Carlotta quoted. They think that. They cite China, Europe, and the US as the nexus of such decision-making.

    Edit: China, the EU, and the US.
    There is no question that has been the case until now. But really your edit should have been "Germany". Or possibly "Germany and France".
    Again, not me.
    Well, whoever, it's what it means. The number of countries in the EU with influence is at most two.
    So we weren't confident enough to think we could hold our own with only two other countries and shape the EU in the way we wanted it shaped so had to leave? And somehow out of the EU we'll kick their arses?

    Doesn't overflow with national confidence or pride, now, does it?
    That makes no sense so I can't respond to it.
    No. You don't understand what I said so you can't respond to it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,650
    Social Conservative /borderline racist, or small state Libertarian? It appears to be make your mind up time. Given many of the latter have gone back to the Tories, I would suggest the former will win out. Either route looks an electoral blind alley at the moment. Whittle is much too short, however, as the only one people have heard of.
    Mr Bolton has an impressive back story. In another party he could have a career.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045
    edited August 8
    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Britain was No.1 it is now, for whatever reason, No.3.

    If you actually look at the report, the 'whatever reason'(s) are quite clear.
    Britain has dropped in the rankings principally on its score for 'engagement'. The metrics for this are as follows:

    Total overseas development aid
    Overseas development aid / GNI
    Number of embassies abroad
    Number of embassies in the country
    Number of consulates general abroad
    Number of permanent missions to multilateral organisations
    Membership of international organisations
    Environmental treaty signatures
    Asylum seekers per 1,000 people
    Number of diplomatic cultural missions
    Number of countries a citizen can visit visa-free
    Size of Weekly Audience of State Broadcaster
    Environmental Performance Index (EPI)

    No prizes for guessing why our score in this category dropped.

    The real question is what might happen to the rest of these measures post Brexit, and it's way too early to be certain about that. Though I'm not a massive optimist.


    So we're in the top three nations still our of nearly 200 and yet are outside the "group of international movers and shakers". If number 3 isn't in the group of international movers and shakers then just who is in your eyes and why do you cut it off there?
    Don't blame me guv, it's the report wot Carlotta quoted. They think that. They cite China, Europe, and the US as the nexus of such decision-making.

    Edit: China, the EU, and the US.
    There is no question that has been the case until now. But really your edit should have been "Germany". Or possibly "Germany and France".
    Again, not me.
    Well, whoever, it's what it means. The number of countries in the EU with influence is at most two.
    So we weren't confident enough to think we could hold our own with only two other countries and shape the EU in the way we wanted it shaped so had to leave? And somehow out of the EU we'll kick their arses?

    Doesn't overflow with national confidence or pride, now, does it?
    That makes no sense so I can't respond to it.
    No. You don't understand what I said so you can't respond to it.
    I understand what you think you are saying but it makes no sense because it misses a fundamental point.

    Now, since we're on a new thread, shall we leave it there?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,708
    Having read the Thread Header ...

    On second thoughts, anyone want to discuss shoes?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,398

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Britain was No.1 it is now, for whatever reason, No.3.

    If you actually look at the report, the 'whatever reason'(s) are quite clear.
    Britain has dropped in the rankings principally on its score for 'engagement'. The metrics for this are as follows:

    Total overseas devrmance Index (EPI)

    No prizes for guessing why our score in this category dropped.

    The real question is what might happen to the rest of these measures post Brexit, and it's way too early to be certain about that. Though I'm not a massive optimist.


    So we're in the top three nations still our of nearly 200 and yet are outside the "group of international movers and shakers". If number 3 isn't in the group of international movers and shakers then just who is in your eyes and why do you cut it off there?
    Don't blame me guv, it's the report wot Carlotta quoted. They think that. They cite China, Europe, and the US as the nexus of such decision-making.

    Edit: China, the EU, and the US.
    There is no question that has been the case until now. But really your edit should have been "Germany". Or possibly "Germany and France".
    Again, not me.
    Well, whoever, it's what it means. The number of countries in the EU with influence is at most two.
    So we weren't confident enough to think we could hold our own with only two other countries and shape the EU in the way we wanted it shaped so had to leave? And somehow out of the EU we'll kick their arses?

    Doesn't overflow with national confidence or pride, now, does it?
    That makes no sense so I can't respond to it.
    No. You don't understand what I said so you can't respond to it.
    I understand what you think you are saying but it makes no sense because it misses a fundamental point.

    Now, since we're on a new thread, shall we leave it there?
    I will take that as a you agree with me wholeheartedly, and are sorry you doubted me for a minute.

    :smile:

    Meanwhile, a new thread about the UKIP leader. I know betting opportunities are few and far between atm but we might as well discuss who might be the next head of the National Trust, for all that UKIP is related to party politics.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,972
    The 2026 deadline in the innovative proposal of Aidan Powlesland is particularly delicious.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587
    Are those who gave Cameron a tough time for his infamous UKIP quote now ready to admit he might just have had a point... ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587
    Recognises that he is an unknown, but believes that the party is dying....
    ... so he'd be the ideal leader ?
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,102
    “It’ll be another 20 years of rape, terror, erosion of liberty before professional politicians are forced to give the principled a chance.”

    It won't, because those things are already the accepted norm. 'Islamophobia' is far more insidious than blowing up school children.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 16,343
    Nigelb said:

    Are those who gave Cameron a tough time for his infamous UKIP quote now ready to admit he might just have had a point... ?

    Brexit killed the Kippers and the LDs.

    The only hope of a revival for either party is if it doesn't happen.

  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Having read the Thread Header ...

    On second thoughts, anyone want to discuss shoes?

    This is the sort of bet I like. It has no importance whatsoever...!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    TGOHF said:

    Nigelb said:

    Are those who gave Cameron a tough time for his infamous UKIP quote now ready to admit he might just have had a point... ?

    Brexit killed the Kippers and the LDs.

    The only hope of a revival for either party is if it doesn't happen.
    Brexit killed the LDs? That's some revisionism... Farron may have failed to create space for a comeback, but their trajectory since Brexit has not been down.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587
    In favour of electoral reform to a system called F2PTP (First Two Past The Post).

    Can we have a thread on this ??
    :smile:
  • Can't imagine why Islamophobes are attracted to UKIP.

    It has to be the asteroid miner or homosexual donkey raped my horse man for me.

    Blistering brilliant piece Alastair.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,972
    Are they laying on hustings for our entertainment?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Are they laying on hustings for our entertainment?

    Apparently so.

    http://www.ukipdaily.com/ukip-leadership-hustings/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    Are they laying on hustings for our entertainment?

    Scratch that - can't we get Channel 4 to lend the Big Brother house for a couple of weeks ?
  • Can't imagine why Islamophobes are attracted to UKIP.

    It has to be the asteroid miner or homosexual donkey raped my horse man for me.

    Blistering brilliant piece Alastair.

    Well, there'll always be neigh sayers trying to stirrup trouble but there's a lot more to that homosexual-donkey-raped-my-horse story than he's letting on.

    So the horse just stood there and let it happen? The supposedly straight horse? Yeah, right. I've got bad news for Rees-Evans: no way is that horse straight. It stood there and it loved it. It is a gay horse which probably causes floods.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    edited August 8

    Both the favourite and the second favourite look set to remodel UKIP into a party familiar to the supporters of Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen, with a strongly anti-Islam focus.

    There's time for some more Judean People's Front/People's Front of Judea action with the far-right parliamentary groupings in Brussels before Brexit happens.

    Perhaps they'll even start campaigning for Remain to keep their best platform alive.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,364

    Are they laying on hustings for our entertainment?

    They already have in Wales...

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Britain was No.1 it is now, for whatever reason, No.3.

    If you actually look at the report, the 'whatever reason'(s) are quite clear.
    Britain has dropped in the rankings principally on its score for 'engagement'. The metrics for this are as follows:

    Total overseas development aid
    Overseas development aid / GNI
    Number of embassies abroad
    Number of embassies in the country
    Number of consulates general abroad
    Number of permanent missions to multilateral organisations
    Membership of international organisations
    Environmental treaty signatures
    Asylum seekers per 1,000 people
    Number of diplomatic cultural missions
    Number of countries a citizen can visit visa-free
    Size of Weekly Audience of State Broadcaster
    Environmental Performance Index (EPI)

    No prizes for guessing why our score in this category dropped.

    The real question is what might happen to the rest of these measures post Brexit, and it's way too early to be certain about that. Though I'm not a massive optimist.


    So we're in the top three nations still our of nearly 200 and yet are outside the "group of international movers and shakers". If number 3 isn't in the group of international movers and shakers then just who is in your eyes and why do you cut it off there?
    Don't blame me guv, it's the report wot Carlotta quoted. They think that. They cite China, Europe, and the US as the nexus of such decision-making.

    Edit: China, the EU, and the US.
    There is no question that has been the case until now. But really your edit should have been "Germany". Or possibly "Germany and France".
    Again, not me.
    Well, whoever, it's what it means. The number of countries in the EU with influence is at most two.
    So we weren't confident enough to think we could hold our own with only two other countries and shape the EU in the way we wanted it shaped so had to leave? And somehow out of the EU we'll kick their arses?

    Doesn't overflow with national confidence or pride, now, does it?
    That makes no sense so I can't respond to it.
    No. You don't understand what I said so you can't respond to it.
    You don't really understand how this human discourse thing works, do you ?
    :smile:
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 1,882
    I misread the last guy in the list and thought it was Marylin Manson!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 39,546
    Further afield, the Catalan vote is around 1 October, isn't it? Still 1.4 for Yes on Ladbrokes (I believe someone tipped No at 2.75 some time ago).

    Also, too short for me but those of you with moneybags might like 1.11 on Merkel staying Chancellor.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 17,821
    I feel that I have been brief to the point of terseness in this lengthy post. I apologise for having to leave out local colour.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,398
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Britain was No.1 it is now, for whatever reason, No.3.

    If you actually look at the report, the 'whatever reason'(s) are quite clear.
    Britain has dropped in the rankings principally on its score for 'engagement'. The metrics for this are as follows:

    Total overseas development aid
    Overseas development aid / GNI
    Number of embassies abroad
    Number of embassies in the country
    Number of consulates general abroad
    Number of permanent missions to multilateral organisations
    Membership of international organisations
    Environmental treaty signatures
    Asylum seekers per 1,000 people
    Number of diplomatic cultural missions
    Number of countries a citizen can visit visa-free
    Size of Weekly Audience of State Broadcaster
    Environmental Performance Index (EPI)

    No prizes for guessing why our score in this category dropped.

    The real question is what might happen to the rest of these measures post Brexit, and it's way too early to be certain about that. Though I'm not a massive optimist.


    So we're in the top three nations still our of nearly 200 and yet are outside the "group of international movers and shakers". If number 3 isn't in the group of international movers and shakers then just who is in your eyes and why do you cut it off there?
    Don't blame me guv, it's the report wot Carlotta quoted. They think that. They cite China, Europe, and the US as the nexus of such decision-making.

    Edit: China, the EU, and the US.
    There is no question that has been the case until now. But really your edit should have been "Germany". Or possibly "Germany and France".
    Again, not me.
    Well, whoever, it's what it means. The number of countries in the EU with influence is at most two.
    So we weren't confident enough to think we could hold our own with only two other countries and shape the EU in the way we wanted it shaped so had to leave? And somehow out of the EU we'll kick their arses?

    Doesn't overflow with national confidence or pride, now, does it?
    That makes no sense so I can't respond to it.
    No. You don't understand what I said so you can't respond to it.
    You don't really understand how this human discourse thing works, do you ?
    :smile:
    Sometimes life is too short.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587
    Blue_rog said:

    I misread the last guy in the list and thought it was Marylin Manson!

    Far too staid.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 17,997
    Before we go too far in celebrating the strange beliefs of UKIP's candidates, it seems that, as ever, Ireland leads the way:

    "Bad luck caused by disturbed fairy forts is causing dips in a major road between County Kerry and County Cork, an Irish member of parliament has said."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40863737
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-to-harden-up-brexit-negotiating-position-10979289

    A Government source told Sky News ministers and officials have been working flat out to draw up the position papers, aware that the Brexit deadline is fast approaching.

    "Position papers may determine whether or not we can move to the second stage of negotiations, work in recess is vital," said the figure.

    "We never sleep."

    The Government is planning a ministerial write round - where relevant ministers beyond the Cabinet are given sight of the position papers - for the week beginning 21 August, suggesting papers could be published from that week onwards.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 39,546
    Mr. Jessop, to be fair, the Roman Republic repeatedly appointed all-powerful dictators for the sole purpose of hammering in a nail to appease the gods, after which they resigned.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,364

    I feel that I have been brief to the point of terseness in this lengthy post. I apologise for having to leave out local colour.

    Surely the asteroid escape vehicle is best done as a collaborative venture with the ESA?

    On the other hand a massive asteroid strike destroying all higher lifeforms does put Brexit into perspective, and something to look forward to...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    Before we go too far in celebrating the strange beliefs of UKIP's candidates, it seems that, as ever, Ireland leads the way:

    "Bad luck caused by disturbed fairy forts is causing dips in a major road between County Kerry and County Cork, an Irish member of parliament has said."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40863737

    Along with Iceland:
    http://all-that-is-interesting.com/iceland-elves
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    I feel that I have been brief to the point of terseness in this lengthy post. I apologise for having to leave out local colour.

    Surely the asteroid escape vehicle is best done as a collaborative venture with the ESA?

    On the other hand a massive asteroid strike destroying all higher lifeforms does put Brexit into perspective, and something to look forward to...
    Surely Brexit makes armageddon considerably more likely, if not certain ?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,364
    Nigelb said:

    I feel that I have been brief to the point of terseness in this lengthy post. I apologise for having to leave out local colour.

    Surely the asteroid escape vehicle is best done as a collaborative venture with the ESA?

    On the other hand a massive asteroid strike destroying all higher lifeforms does put Brexit into perspective, and something to look forward to...
    Surely Brexit makes armageddon considerably more likely, if not certain ?
    Hence the omportance of the spaceship. Armageddon outa here...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587
    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,972
    edited August 8
    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

    We have two complete sets, although one of them could be in government next time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    Mr. Jessop, to be fair, the Roman Republic repeatedly appointed all-powerful dictators for the sole purpose of hammering in a nail to appease the gods, after which they resigned.

    Good afternoon, Mr.D.
    Talking of fantasy, Honda believe their engine will outperform Renault by the end of the season:
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-engine-renault-target-939204/

    I have not yet ruled out their achieving a podium this season - is anyone offering odds on that ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

    We have two complete sets, although one of them could be in government next time.
    How very uncivil of you...

    I once called Nick Palmer the Richard Nabavi of the Labour party; I fear the converse may no longer be true.
    :smile:
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Nigelb said:

    I feel that I have been brief to the point of terseness in this lengthy post. I apologise for having to leave out local colour.

    Surely the asteroid escape vehicle is best done as a collaborative venture with the ESA?

    On the other hand a massive asteroid strike destroying all higher lifeforms does put Brexit into perspective, and something to look forward to...
    Surely Brexit makes armageddon considerably more likely, if not certain ?
    That's right. Cameron promised us WW3 in the event of Brexit.
    It's only a matter of time.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 39,546
    Mr. B, I can't see that happening.

    Even if we assume the reliability is, as appears to be the case, much better, that still leaves a lot of horsepower to make up.

    A podium only seems credible at somewhere like Abu Dhabi (maybe) or, more likely, Singapore, but they're still going to be the 4th fastest at the absolute best.

    I'd want long triple figure odds on a McLaren podium.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,972
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

    We have two complete sets, although one of them could be in government next time.
    How very uncivil of you...

    I once called Nick Palmer the Richard Nabavi of the Labour party; I fear the converse may no longer be true.
    :smile:
    It was always a silly comparison. Nick Palmer is a fan of Abba (shudder...)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,364

    Further afield, the Catalan vote is around 1 October, isn't it? Still 1.4 for Yes on Ladbrokes (I believe someone tipped No at 2.75 some time ago).

    Also, too short for me but those of you with moneybags might like 1.11 on Merkel staying Chancellor.

    As an aside, I reckon there's probably free money to be had by backing "No" in massive size on the Catalan referendum, and buying out the money Put options on the IBEX.

    If it's a "No", you win the bet (which will pay out more than you spent on your deeply out the money Puts), and if it's a "Yes", then the Spanish stock market trades down 15%, and you make good money there.

    For the record, this is not investment advice.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 39,546
    Mr. 1000, got to say that's a bit above my pay grade, as it were, but it sounds quite sly.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 39,546
    Speaking of dodgy fools who shouldn't be anywhere near office, Zuma's survived his no-confidence vote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-40869269

    Anyway, I must be off.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,244
    edited August 8
    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,244

    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

    We have two complete sets, although one of them could be in government next time.
    Greens and SNP?
  • isamisam Posts: 24,352
    edited August 8
    If the leader of UKIP isn't Nigel Farage, it really doesn't matter who it is

    It struck me today how quickly it will seem to future Historians that we went from "There probably wont be an EU referendum" to "Leave win the EU referendum". It seems to have caught both sides on the hop. The Remainers, who quite understandably cant seem to rationalise that the move from dismissive in 2014, to complacent in 2015, to defeat in 2016 has actually happened, and the Kippers who, in 2014, probably imagined the route to victory was achieved by making the case for Brexit gradually via gaining parliamentary seats.

    It is like a boxer, cruising towards a unanimous points victory vs an underdog, getting knocked out in the last round. He cant understand the twist at the end of the story, while victory destroyed the winner by virtue of being World Champion too early in their career.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    isam said:

    It is like a boxer, cruising towards a unanimous points victory vs an underdog, getting knocked out in the last round. He cant understand the twist at the end of the story, while victory destroyed the winner by virtue of being World Champion too early in their career.

    This analogy highlights a fatal flaw in the narrative.

    You see it as an internal fight between two camps in domestic politics in which one side has 'won', but unfortunately there is nobody to call time and let you savour the victory. Brexit is the beginning, not the end, and the people who fought for it have no clue how it will deliver anything other than their own self-satisfaction.
  • isamisam Posts: 24,352
    edited August 8

    isam said:

    It is like a boxer, cruising towards a unanimous points victory vs an underdog, getting knocked out in the last round. He cant understand the twist at the end of the story, while victory destroyed the winner by virtue of being World Champion too early in their career.

    This analogy highlights a fatal flaw in the narrative.

    You see it as an internal fight between two camps in domestic politics in which one side has 'won', but unfortunately there is nobody to call time and let you savour the victory. Brexit is the beginning, not the end, and the people who fought for it have no clue how it will deliver anything other than their own self-satisfaction.
    Well people who lose don't like the sound of the final whistle that's true!

    But I was a kipper, and all I wanted was to win the referendum.. and we did and that's that. I am happy

    The people who REALLY wanted Brexit were UKIP, even if they had to gain it with help from Conservatives who probably weren't all that bothered.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

    We have two complete sets, although one of them could be in government next time.
    How very uncivil of you...

    I once called Nick Palmer the Richard Nabavi of the Labour party; I fear the converse may no longer be true.
    :smile:
    It was always a silly comparison. Nick Palmer is a fan of Abba (shudder...)
    The original comparison was prompted by your shared skill in not just defending, but positively spinning the indefensible when it came to your respective parties...

    But I have no wish to reopen the great ABBA debate, so I'll drop it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 7,736
    I haven't laughed so much since I heard Gove had been removed from education.

    That's an absolutely awesome list.

    But if Aiden Powlesland is Foinavon, who will be Poppam Down?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,587

    Mr. B, I can't see that happening.

    Even if we assume the reliability is, as appears to be the case, much better, that still leaves a lot of horsepower to make up.

    A podium only seems credible at somewhere like Abu Dhabi (maybe) or, more likely, Singapore, but they're still going to be the 4th fastest at the absolute best.

    I'd want long triple figure odds on a McLaren podium.

    Triple figures, I'd snap up,
    McLaren Honda have the great advantage now of not really caring if they lunch a few more engines along the way, so their ability to bring engine upgrades is greater than any of the other teams. I'd want reasonably long odds, but I think there is a real chance (though not overwhelming likelihood) of a podium before the season is out.
    They have what appears a very decent chassis, and one of the best drivers on the grid. They only have to get lucky once.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,829
    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045
    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 19,125
    isam said:

    If the leader of UKIP isn't Nigel Farage, it really doesn't matter who it is

    It struck me today how quickly it will seem to future Historians that we went from "There probably wont be an EU referendum" to "Leave win the EU referendum". It seems to have caught both sides on the hop. The Remainers, who quite understandably cant seem to rationalise that the move from dismissive in 2014, to complacent in 2015, to defeat in 2016 has actually happened, and the Kippers who, in 2014, probably imagined the route to victory was achieved by making the case for Brexit gradually via gaining parliamentary seats.

    It is like a boxer, cruising towards a unanimous points victory vs an underdog, getting knocked out in the last round. He cant understand the twist at the end of the story, while victory destroyed the winner by virtue of being World Champion too early in their career.

    A good analogy. I expected a hung Parliament in 2015, followed by a weak Labour-led government, with UKIP steadily gaining ground in local elections and by-elections.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 19,125
    The candidates on offer are certainly a glittering array of talent.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 17,821
    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,829
    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
    The house had them when he bought it... he didn't crenellate on a whim! He's not some kind of oddball...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 7,736

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    Now you're just taking the piss!
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045
    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
    The house had them when he bought it... he didn't crenellate on a whim! He's not some kind of oddball...
    Well that's ok then!
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    I had no idea this reduced your carbon footprint. Save me a fortune on new a hybrid car will that advice. I can just produce the Chateau blanc de Welshowl of a morning and leave it out for the milky, and still save the planet.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 17,821
    welshowl said:

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    I had no idea this reduced your carbon footprint. Save me a fortune on new a hybrid car will that advice. I can just produce the Chateau blanc de Welshowl of a morning and leave it out for the milky, and still save the planet.
    This was the problem with writing this thread header. It was like tugging on a loose thread on your jumper: one unexpected piece of information led onto another.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    Nigel Farage won't be needed back in frontline politics once the country gets a glimpse of this guy.

    He is also extremely fit. His first marathon was at 21, he explains, with a full rucksack, when he was in the parachute regiment.

    "I was young and single and I read in a book that ninjas, when they were working, would kill someone 25 miles from where they lived," he said. "So I decided that since we were in a similar profession I should do that. I substituted the killing for a visit to a bookshop. Theological books. That was the extra weight."
  • Sean_F said:

    The candidates on offer are certainly a glittering array of talent.

    One of my earliest memories of PB was a post of yours detailing the sexual deviancy of the British far right.

    For some reason Alastair's thread reminded me of that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,829

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    "Instead of watching strippers we'll be throwing them out of airplanes and firing Glocks"

    How did that not make the cut?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,829
    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
    The house had them when he bought it... he didn't crenellate on a whim! He's not some kind of oddball...
    Well that's ok then!
    His justification was that life is like a jigsaw. Sometimes you come across a piece that is so special you pick it up and hold it in your hand until you figure out what to do with it.*

    * his solution was give it to @Charles and let him deal with it!
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045

    welshowl said:

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    I had no idea this reduced your carbon footprint. Save me a fortune on new a hybrid car will that advice. I can just produce the Chateau blanc de Welshowl of a morning and leave it out for the milky, and still save the planet.
    This was the problem with writing this thread header. It was like tugging on a loose thread on your jumper: one unexpected piece of information led onto another.
    There's a possibly film script, if not a mini series just with the info you put in your thread header!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 19,125

    Sean_F said:

    The candidates on offer are certainly a glittering array of talent.

    One of my earliest memories of PB was a post of yours detailing the sexual deviancy of the British far right.

    For some reason Alastair's thread reminded me of that.
    Yes, that was fun.

    I especially enjoyed how Colin Jordan had to resign as leader of the British Movement after shoplifting a pair of red knickers from M & S.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 7,736
    edited August 8

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    Nigel Farage won't be needed back in frontline politics once the country gets a glimpse of this guy.

    He is also extremely fit. His first marathon was at 21, he explains, with a full rucksack, when he was in the parachute regiment.

    "I was young and single and I read in a book that ninjas, when they were working, would kill someone 25 miles from where they lived," he said. "So I decided that since we were in a similar profession I should do that. I substituted the killing for a visit to a bookshop. Theological books. That was the extra weight."
    Having cycled up a hill carrying Raymond Brown's Inteoduction to the New Testament, C. H. Dodd's Historical Tradition in the Fourth Gospel and a (mercifully abridged) copy of Matthew Henry's Commentaries, I can understand how they made good ballast.

    I just can't see the link to ninjas assassinating people. Did he used to hit random people with his rucksack?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    edited August 8
    Mr Rees-Evens thinks he's already an acronym. This looks and sounds like a weak pitch on Dragons' Den rather than a political leader in the making.

  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045
    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
    The house had them when he bought it... he didn't crenellate on a whim! He's not some kind of oddball...
    Well that's ok then!
    His justification was that life is like a jigsaw. Sometimes you come across a piece that is so special you pick it up and hold it in your hand until you figure out what to do with it.*

    * his solution was give it to @Charles and let him deal with it!
    Does it now "fit"? Or you still looking for another bit with a straight edge and a similar pattern to match it with to start things off?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,708
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    One has to reflect how refreshing it is that we have at least one set of completely loopy politicians who aren't in government.

    We have two complete sets, although one of them could be in government next time.
    How very uncivil of you...

    I once called Nick Palmer the Richard Nabavi of the Labour party; I fear the converse may no longer be true.
    :smile:
    It was always a silly comparison. Nick Palmer is a fan of Abba (shudder...)
    The original comparison was prompted by your shared skill in not just defending, but positively spinning the indefensible when it came to your respective parties...

    But I have no wish to reopen the great ABBA debate, so I'll drop it.
    "Steps" have a very ABBA sound and are great to dance to....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 19,125

    Can't imagine why Islamophobes are attracted to UKIP.

    It has to be the asteroid miner or homosexual donkey raped my horse man for me.

    Blistering brilliant piece Alastair.

    Well, there'll always be neigh sayers trying to stirrup trouble but there's a lot more to that homosexual-donkey-raped-my-horse story than he's letting on.

    So the horse just stood there and let it happen? The supposedly straight horse? Yeah, right. I've got bad news for Rees-Evans: no way is that horse straight. It stood there and it loved it. It is a gay horse which probably causes floods.
    He says the donkey *tried* to rape his horse.

    Hopefully, the horse defended his honour.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,708
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    The candidates on offer are certainly a glittering array of talent.

    One of my earliest memories of PB was a post of yours detailing the sexual deviancy of the British far right.

    For some reason Alastair's thread reminded me of that.
    Yes, that was fun.

    I especially enjoyed how Colin Jordan had to resign as leader of the British Movement after shoplifting a pair of red knickers from M & S.
    I wonder what he intended use he planned for his "acquisition"?

    I cannot see a pair of plan cotton knickers in red, so I would think it likely that these were the lacy, stringy kind that are OK to wear for about 2 hours and after that you want to rip them off before you sweaty-itch to death.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,364

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    Nigel Farage won't be needed back in frontline politics once the country gets a glimpse of this guy.

    He is also extremely fit. His first marathon was at 21, he explains, with a full rucksack, when he was in the parachute regiment.

    "I was young and single and I read in a book that ninjas, when they were working, would kill someone 25 miles from where they lived," he said. "So I decided that since we were in a similar profession I should do that. I substituted the killing for a visit to a bookshop. Theological books. That was the extra weight."
    18% of the vote is not to be sneezed at. In such a crowded FPTP system, donkey may be the winner!
  • PendduPenddu Posts: 119
    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 7,736
    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    The implication of that comment is that at least one of the others would NOT have comedy value.

    Although I appreciate the donkey man is something a bit special.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,478
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    The implication of that comment is that at least one of the others would NOT have comedy value.

    Although I appreciate the donkey man is something a bit special.
    UKIP: Liars led by donkeys.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,829
    Sean_F said:

    Can't imagine why Islamophobes are attracted to UKIP.

    It has to be the asteroid miner or homosexual donkey raped my horse man for me.

    Blistering brilliant piece Alastair.

    Well, there'll always be neigh sayers trying to stirrup trouble but there's a lot more to that homosexual-donkey-raped-my-horse story than he's letting on.

    So the horse just stood there and let it happen? The supposedly straight horse? Yeah, right. I've got bad news for Rees-Evans: no way is that horse straight. It stood there and it loved it. It is a gay horse which probably causes floods.
    He says the donkey *tried* to rape his horse.

    Hopefully, the horse defended his honour.
    There was a rather good radio play a few years ago comprising love letters between Marengo (Napoleon's horse) and Copenhagen (Wellington's horse)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 7,368
    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    I don't know, but I do have a vote in this election so if anyone would like buy my vote, PM me.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,829
    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
    The house had them when he bought it... he didn't crenellate on a whim! He's not some kind of oddball...
    Well that's ok then!
    His justification was that life is like a jigsaw. Sometimes you come across a piece that is so special you pick it up and hold it in your hand until you figure out what to do with it.*

    * his solution was give it to @Charles and let him deal with it!
    Does it now "fit"? Or you still looking for another bit with a straight edge and a similar pattern to match it with to start things off?
    If you're trying to sell me another castle I think I'm good for now!

    (we use it as a museum and charitable venue as as the HQ for both Bulldog and The Fore Trusts, any other ideas gratefully received)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 7,736

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    The implication of that comment is that at least one of the others would NOT have comedy value.

    Although I appreciate the donkey man is something a bit special.
    UKIP: Liars led by donkeys.
    :lol: :lol: :joy:
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 3,045
    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    Charles said:

    welshowl said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Great article.

    Have to admit I'm surprised how many are gay.

    I'm speechless with wonder at this offering of candidates. Truly gobsmacked. Just for starters, why on God's earth would you apparently come into possession of a fortified compound in Bulgaria? Why? How? When? Details??
    I have a house with battlements that my Dad bought on a whim. Does that count?
    Only if he has a licence to crenellate. Can't be having non standard crenellations.
    The house had them when he bought it... he didn't crenellate on a whim! He's not some kind of oddball...
    Well that's ok then!
    His justification was that life is like a jigsaw. Sometimes you come across a piece that is so special you pick it up and hold it in your hand until you figure out what to do with it.*

    * his solution was give it to @Charles and let him deal with it!
    Does it now "fit"? Or you still looking for another bit with a straight edge and a similar pattern to match it with to start things off?
    If you're trying to sell me another castle I think I'm good for now!

    (we use it as a museum and charitable venue as as the HQ for both Bulldog and The Fore Trusts, any other ideas gratefully received)
    No, lots of castles in Wales. None are mine to sell. Must be a big responsibility to own one.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 7,736
    edited August 8
    tlg86 said:

    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    I don't know, but I do have a vote in this election so if anyone would like buy my vote, PM me.
    You have my sympathy, trying to choose between that.

    I'd seriously consider voting for Corbyn ahead of any of them.

    Not Macdonnell or Gove, obviously, but Corbyn - well, on a forced choice it would be possible.
  • PendduPenddu Posts: 119

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    The implication of that comment is that at least one of the others would NOT have comedy value.

    Although I appreciate the donkey man is something a bit special.
    UKIP: Liars led by donkeys.
    Liars seduced by donkeys....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 7,368
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    Penddu said:

    Do UKIP have a 3 quid option? I want to join and vote for the Welsh candidate....not because I am Welsh but because of the comedy possibilities...

    I don't know, but I do have a vote in this election so if anyone would like buy my vote, PM me.
    You have my sympathy, trying to choose between that.

    I'd seriously consider voting for Corbyn ahead of any of them.

    Not Macdonnell or Gove, obviously, but Corbyn - well, on a forced choice it would be possible.
    To be honest, I really couldn't care less. I think there probably is a place for another party that questions mainstream politics from the right, but I can't see Ukip doing that effectively any more.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,375
    I really would like to believe that Alastair was making some of this up.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,523

    welshowl said:

    For those interested in John Rees-Evans' fortified compound, more details are available here:

    https://news.vice.com/article/what-an-ex-soldiers-fortified-bulgarian-compound-says-about-the-uk-independence-movement

    I reluctantly decided not to include in the main article the detail about him urinating in a bottle to reduce his carbon footprint.

    I had no idea this reduced your carbon footprint. Save me a fortune on new a hybrid car will that advice. I can just produce the Chateau blanc de Welshowl of a morning and leave it out for the milky, and still save the planet.
    This was the problem with writing this thread header. It was like tugging on a loose thread on your jumper: one unexpected piece of information led onto another.
    Can we be assured that not too many keyboards and monitors were ruined by spluttered coffee in the making of this header? :)
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    It's a bit dusty in here tonight.

    Where is everybody?
  • PendduPenddu Posts: 119
    Seriously.....this is all true? Politics was never this interesting when I was young....even in Jezza Thorpes days with the shot dog....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 17,821
    GeoffM said:

    It's a bit dusty in here tonight.

    Where is everybody?

    Looking for gay donkeys.

    And now you've turned up.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 17,997
    The context is that it sounds as though NK has weaponised a nuclear warhead, the ultimate aim of their program.
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