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New YouGov CON members poll for Times find just 29% saying TMay should continue until next GE pic.twitter.com/brNDbyZ3Ep

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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 22,424
    first past the post
  • Theresa must stay if Boris is going to be her replacement.

    Clearly 29% of Tory members are Labour sleepers
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,118
    To Tory members: May is your best bet.
  • Shit sandwich or a giant douche...What a choice.
  • surbiton said:

    To Tory members: May is your best bet.

    To Brexit - next GE no and I am one of the 38%
  • Shit sandwich or a giant douche...What a choice.

    Brexit led to Mrs May which seems likely to lead to Jeremy Corbyn as PM and John McDonnell as Chancellor.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 19,987
    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    So Boris v JRM will be the next Tory leadership contest on this poll (as Davidson is not moving to Westminster) which Boris currently leads meaning he will be our next PM given most Tory members want May to step down before the next general election.

    Boris v Corbyn then is the likely next general election battle
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,118
    edited September 28

    surbiton said:

    Stokes, an England all-rounder allegedly beat up some guy outside a bar. If history repeats itself, then,

    Twenty years on: Arise Sir Benjamin!

    The internet is wasted on you...3 days after the story breaks and you report it. You do only get your news by carrier pigeon?
    What's internet ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    Shit sandwich or a giant douche...What a choice.

    Brexit led to Mrs May which seems likely to lead to Jeremy Corbyn as PM and John McDonnell as Chancellor.
    Boris knows how to beat leftwingers as Ken Livingstone discovered
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 17,319
    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Big Bear
    Lake Tahoe
    Yellowstone
    Jackson Hole
    Teleride
    Grand Canyon

    Etc
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 2,812
    edited September 28
    Boris needs to strike now. If Theresa stays beyond Brexit she can spin the line that it's too late and too risky to change leader and - more importantly - hasn't she redeemed herself by overseeing Brexit in a reasonable fashion (whether she has or not)? The Tories will swallow it, Labour will triumph and Boris will spend half a decade or more as LOTO to Jezza and his successor(s). Not what Boris wants. No, he must strike now.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 6,999
    Have they tried turning the party off and on again?
  • I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,118

    surbiton said:

    To Tory members: May is your best bet.

    To Brexit - next GE no and I am one of the 38%
    I find this logically odd. Brexit could be the biggest political event of the 21st century for Britain. You will trust someone to carry that out - and then discard her ?

    Surely, if she is that capable she should stay and she probably will, if Brexit happens. Otherwise, she should go now before economic doomsday arrives.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 19,797
    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Just so you know, I spent Sunday afternoon lazying on the beach and chatting with Lily Cole.

    Strangely, I wasn't thinking about the Italian lakes at all.
  • Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Big Bear
    Lake Tahoe
    Yellowstone
    Jackson Hole
    Teleride
    Grand Canyon

    Etc
    You missed Yosemite...
  • No Hunt or Gove in the poll, or did no-one pick them?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,118
    This guy, Someone Else, is coming up from the blindside. Looks a good outside bet!
  • No Hunt or Gove in the poll, or did no-one pick them?

    Not in the poll.

    Those were the options we were given.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    Boris needs to strike now. If Theresa stays beyond Brexit she can spin the line that it's too late and too risky to change leader and - more importantly - hasn't she redeemed herself by overseeing Brexit in a reasonable fashion (whether she has or not)? The Tories will swallow it, Labour will triumph and Boris will spend half a decade or more as LOTO to Jezza and his successor(s). Not what Boris wants. No, he must strike now.

    She will only be able to do that if she takes a poll lead post Brexit, in which case why shouldn't she stay on?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,118

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    Don't hold yourself back! You have hardly said anything about May since last year.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 19,987
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Big Bear
    Lake Tahoe
    Yellowstone
    Jackson Hole
    Teleride
    Grand Canyon

    Etc
    Scenic as Lake Tahoe is, I'm not sure it compares to..... Venice.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420
    edited September 28
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Big Bear
    Lake Tahoe
    Yellowstone
    Jackson Hole
    Teleride
    Grand Canyon

    Etc
    Would add British Columbia and Vegas,baby!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 22,424
    On that basis, Amber Rudd looks good as the leading Remainer for the run off.

    Not entirely a fan, but she does actually listen to people and show empathy in her repies.

    Pretty pisspoor choice though.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,407
    Is that it? That is the list? BoJo, JRM and someone who is not even an MP make the top three!

    It is beyond parody. Even "Yes Minister"s writers would struggle with this one...
  • surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    To Tory members: May is your best bet.

    To Brexit - next GE no and I am one of the 38%
    I find this logically odd. Brexit could be the biggest political event of the 21st century for Britain. You will trust someone to carry that out - and then discard her ?

    Surely, if she is that capable she should stay and she probably will, if Brexit happens. Otherwise, she should go now before economic doomsday arrives.
    If only we could have hindsight. I do believe she is doing a reasonable job on Brexit, is serious and determined. Furthermore, there is no one else .

    As far as any GE is concerned the conservatives will need a new leader unless TM has a 'Falkland ' style victory on Brexit
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 3,456

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 16,570
    Jonathan said:

    Have they tried turning the party off and on again?

    Comment of the day.
  • They didnt ask me.... tracy crouch would be right up therr otherwise.... jonny or rory too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420
    Remainers have not much there. Davidson is ineligible. Rudd, is well, Rudd, a piece of psychic notepaper to project qualities onto (rather like a pre-election May, but with a "colourful" business past). Then it is MOE to Hammond or Boris. Rather thin gruel as JRM once said.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 2,539
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Big Bear
    Lake Tahoe
    Yellowstone
    Jackson Hole
    Teleride
    Grand Canyon

    Etc
    Fantastic national parks, stunning wilderness all within driving distance.
    But with ten days holiday a year, often including sick leave - unless you are self employed - you don't get to go...
  • On the bright side andrea leadsom cant claim anything ..... given she was last 2 thats a relief
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    Is that it? That is the list? BoJo, JRM and someone who is not even an MP make the top three!

    It is beyond parody. Even "Yes Minister"s writers would struggle with this one...

    BoJo is the public's favourite in every poll to succeed May and now Tory members too
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,044
    edited September 28
    When all these people who have lost confidence in Theresa get together in Manchester next week she might toast...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,407
    DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Have they tried turning the party off and on again?

    Comment of the day.
    :+1:
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,118

    On that basis, Amber Rudd looks good as the leading Remainer for the run off.

    Not entirely a fan, but she does actually listen to people and show empathy in her repies.

    Pretty pisspoor choice though.
    Feels like 1995.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    surbiton said:

    On that basis, Amber Rudd looks good as the leading Remainer for the run off.

    Not entirely a fan, but she does actually listen to people and show empathy in her repies.

    Pretty pisspoor choice though.
    Feels like 1995.
    Or 1990
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 1,603
    GIN1138 said:

    When all these people who have lost confidence in Theresa get together in Manchester next week she might toast...

    Whilst still getting a standing ovation?
  • DavidL said:

    Jonathan said:

    Have they tried turning the party off and on again?

    Comment of the day.
    This is right up there too for me....


  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 2,539
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    fpt for RCS

    You omit the greatest disadvantages of all. Socal is just.... a bit boring. It's oddly banal. You get the odd amazing bbq where you meet super smart Ukrainian Olympic discus throwers turned Silicon valley trillionaires, or Honduran gymnasts turned Beverley Hills mistresses, but generally it's a bit dull. Everyone over 25 goes to sleep at 9pm.

    Even worse, it's too far from anywhere interesting. Yes, California has nice national parks, but that's it. Fly for three hours, you're still in America, or Canada, or Mexico (so pretty much the same)

    Fly for three hours from London (max), and you can be in Barcelona, Venice, the Alps, the Nordic fjords, Hungary, Paris, Trieste, the Black Forest, Iceland, Connemara, Seville, the Camargue, the Algarve, Vienna, the Hebridean islands, Sicily, Krakow, the Italian lakes, Morocco, Florence, and Berlin.

    Just so you know, I spent Sunday afternoon lazying on the beach and chatting with Lily Cole.

    Strangely, I wasn't thinking about the Italian lakes at all.
    Were you worrying about water supply?
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/privatewaterlaw.com/2013/09/25/the-organization-of-water-utilities-in-california/amp/

    Actually California is a bit screwed on that front either way...
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,426
    edited September 28
    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
  • HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
    Osborne helped take the Tory party from 198 MPs to 331 MPs.

    He's a patriot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
  • Well I'm logging off before I call Theresa May the [moderated] nugget she is.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,407
    HYUFD said:

    Is that it? That is the list? BoJo, JRM and someone who is not even an MP make the top three!

    It is beyond parody. Even "Yes Minister"s writers would struggle with this one...

    BoJo is the public's favourite in every poll to succeed May and now Tory members too
    Go ahead then ... make him leader. It will be a sharp lesson for you Tories
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
    Osborne helped take the Tory party from 198 MPs to 331 MPs.

    He's a patriot.
    Osborne ran the 2010 Tory campaign when the Tories got 306 MPs, May got 318 MPs in 2017. Crosby ran the 2015 campaign
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,101
    Good grief.

    Ian Lavery is literally shouting at the audience on QT.

    The midlands, I think we can firmly suggest, are solidly blue.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,044
    edited September 28
    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They did it to Thatch. They can do it to May...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 19,797
    WRT SoCal:

    I'm within 90 minutes of a ski slope. (And I'm not talking about Hemel Hemstead or the Milton Keynes Snowdome.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    edited September 28

    HYUFD said:

    Is that it? That is the list? BoJo, JRM and someone who is not even an MP make the top three!

    It is beyond parody. Even "Yes Minister"s writers would struggle with this one...

    BoJo is the public's favourite in every poll to succeed May and now Tory members too
    Go ahead then ... make him leader. It will be a sharp lesson for you Tories
    Or to you hubristic Labour supporters as Ken Livingstone discovered when he easily expected to beat him in 2008 and then 2012 in the London Mayoral election
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,101
    Laughter at 'we're a government in waiting'

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 1,603

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
    Osborne helped take the Tory party from 198 MPs to 331 MPs.

    He's a patriot.
    Who flounced off after the EUref.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    I will put you down as a maybe shall I?
  • HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
    Osborne helped take the Tory party from 198 MPs to 331 MPs.

    He's a patriot.
    And was booed at the Olympics, was unpopular with the youth, and ended up acting like a spoilt public school pratt.

    Ironic that if he had returned to the backbenches he could have become the next PM
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420

    Is that it? That is the list? BoJo, JRM and someone who is not even an MP make the top three!

    It is beyond parody. Even "Yes Minister"s writers would struggle with this one...

    Interesting that the 2 rivals in that show were one with a string of mistresses and one with an "unconventional" business career.

    Could "Hacker" Hammond come through the middle?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    dixiedean said:

    Is that it? That is the list? BoJo, JRM and someone who is not even an MP make the top three!

    It is beyond parody. Even "Yes Minister"s writers would struggle with this one...

    Interesting that the 2 rivals in that show were one with a string of mistresses and one with an "unconventional" business career.

    Could "Hacker" Hammond come through the middle?
    No, he is the Chancellor and can only poll 5% with the membership, he does equally badly with the public in the polls
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 1,603

    HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
    Osborne helped take the Tory party from 198 MPs to 331 MPs.

    He's a patriot.
    And was booed at the Olympics, was unpopular with the youth, and ended up acting like a spoilt public school pratt.

    Ironic that if he had returned to the backbenches he could have become the next PM
    Spot on!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,101
    That is a terrible figure for Hammond.

    Polling below Rudd. And less than a third of JRM.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,277
    edited September 28

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    You have my sympathy TSE, but the UKIP b*stards have taken full control of your party.

    What's best for them is best for the party and best for the country.

    The young/socially liberal/continuity remain wings of the party have been castrated.

    You're irrelevant. You don't matter to them.
  • This polling is irrelevant.

    It all depends on the final two the MPs send to the party.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,426
    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,044
    Watching QT I think it's reasonable to say that Jezza is not overwhelmingly popular in the Midlands... ;)
  • stevefstevef Posts: 256
    The Tories are an election winning machine. If they believe that Theresa May will lose them the next election and an old Etonian blonde buffoon will win it for them they will depose May, whose future depends on 7 by elections. She has been lucky so far: 4 months since the election and no by elections.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 22,424
    edited September 28
    GIN1138 said:

    Watching QT I think it's reasonable to say that Jezza is not overwhelmingly popular in the Midlands... ;)

    On the contrary:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jeremy-corbyn-more-popular-birmingham-13160244

    I count 5 Labour gains in the Midlands under Jezza.
  • Pong said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    You have my sympathy TSE, but the elderly b*stards have taken full control of your party.

    What's best for them is best for the party and best for the country.

    The young/socially liberal/continuity remain wings of the party have been castrated.

    You're irrelevant. You don't matter to them.
    You can behave too.

    I didn't see you complaining when Labour bunged pensioners a load of freebies.

    You also seem impervious to the fact the Tory manifesto was going to take away the goodies from the oldies.

    But you didn't vote for that manifesto.
  • HYUFD said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I'm running out family friendly words to describe my loathing for Theresa May.

    The Conservatives would have won a 42-seat majority in June’s general election if they had secured the same level of support among minority ethnic Britons as they did among white voters, analysis has found.

    The report, by the British Future thinktank, identifies what it calls an “ethnic minority voting gap” that cost Theresa May 600,000 votes and an extra 28 seats.

    It argues that while David Cameron sought to emphasise a broadening of the Conservative appeal to voters, including the party’s historically poor support from black and minority ethnic (BME) Britons, May had reversed this process.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/28/ethnic-minority-voting-gap-cost-theresa-may-28-seats-report-says?CMP=twt_gu

    The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

    I think we can safely set contempt levels to maximum for that little gem.
    She's a fucking [moderated] who deserves to [censored] and exiled to France for her treachery to the party and country.

    She's a total and utter [deleted] she should [redacted] off.
    If May is a traitor to her party and country what does that make Osborne?
    Osborne helped take the Tory party from 198 MPs to 331 MPs.

    He's a patriot.
    And was booed at the Olympics, was unpopular with the youth, and ended up acting like a spoilt public school pratt.

    Ironic that if he had returned to the backbenches he could have become the next PM
    Osborne getting booed at the Olympics didn't stop the Tories winning a majority.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Watching QT I think it's reasonable to say that Jezza is not overwhelmingly popular in the Midlands... ;)

    On the contrary:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jeremy-corbyn-more-popular-birmingham-13160244
    That was before this weeks hard left rant and plans to try to stop the pound collapsing and capital flight
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,044
    Mortimer said:

    That is a terrible figure for Hammond.

    Polling below Rudd. And less than a third of JRM.

    I guess they've figured theres no point replacing Mrs Glum-Buckets with Mr Glum Buckets.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 22,424

    GIN1138 said:

    Watching QT I think it's reasonable to say that Jezza is not overwhelmingly popular in the Midlands... ;)

    On the contrary:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jeremy-corbyn-more-popular-birmingham-13160244
    That was before this weeks hard left rant and plans to try to stop the pound collapsing and capital flight
    We were told that Jezza would be destroyed in Brum because of the IRA pub bombings. Didnt happen, indeed there was a big swing to him.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,407
    Pong said:


    You have my sympathy TSE, but the UKIP b*stards have taken full control of your party.

    Labour have become hijacked by their nutters

    The Tories are being run by their nutters

    The Lib Dems are nowhere to be seen

    Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420

    GIN1138 said:

    Watching QT I think it's reasonable to say that Jezza is not overwhelmingly popular in the Midlands... ;)

    On the contrary:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jeremy-corbyn-more-popular-birmingham-13160244
    That was before this weeks hard left rant and plans to try to stop the pound collapsing and capital flight
    Not sure there's much capital in Wolverhampton to take flight. Or if there was, it flew many years ago.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 8,726
    Lab 4th to 1st in Lancaster
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    This polling is irrelevant.

    It all depends on the final two the MPs send to the party.

    Those MPs want to hold their seats, they will ensure the most popular choice with the public and Tory voters ie Boris goes to the membership
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
  • Lab 4th to 1st in Lancaster

    Strange result
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420
    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
    Wow! Easy to forget the Tories had only 165 seats not that long ago. I knew that, but it is still striking.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646

    Lab 4th to 1st in Lancaster

    Labour hold the seat at Westminster so not as surprising as it seems
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
    Wow! Easy to forget the Tories had only 165 seats not that long ago. I knew that, but it is still striking.
    Yes, which despite all the Corbyn mania shows you what a real Labour election winner managed to achieve
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,426
    edited September 28
    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
    Yes, I know that Thatcher failed to win outright on the first ballot, but nonetheless she still beat Heseltine by a pretty comfortable margin on that vote (plus, there were probably atleast some Heseltine voters on that first ballot who didn't want Thatcher to go, but were just hoping that a big enough vote against her would shock her into changing her ways). Again, I stand by that, although plenty of Tory MPs were telling the media at the time that they thought she should go, when it came down to it a lot would've pulled back from the brink, just like Tory MPs always do.

    However, we'll never know. All we do know is that, irrespective of what might or 'would' have happened, if Tory MPs were to vote May out then it would be the first time they had done so in living memory to a sitting PM. Personally I don't see it happening.

    And I don't really call a 90-75 vote that emphatic, considering IDS had a considerably weaker case of 'electability' than May does.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420
    Nice tribute to Mark Senior on the Britain Elects preview btw. Apologies if this has been posted.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 1,420
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
    Wow! Easy to forget the Tories had only 165 seats not that long ago. I knew that, but it is still striking.
    Yes, which despite all the Corbyn mania shows you what a real Labour election winner managed to achieve
    That wasn't a winner, that was an A-grade arse-kicker. Even though the political winds were all in his favour.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    edited September 28
    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan const.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
    Yes, I know that Thatcher failed to win outright on the first ballot, but nonetheless she still beat Heseltine by a pretty comfortable margin on that vote (plus, there were probably atleast some Heseltine voters on that first ballot who didn't want Thatcher to go, but were just hoping that a big enough vote against her would shock her into changing her ways). Again, I stand by that, although plenty of Tory MPs were telling the media at the time that they thought she should go, when it came down to it a lot would've pulled back from the brink, just like Tory MPs always do.

    And I don't really call a 90-75 vote that emphatic, considering IDS had a considerably weaker case of 'electability' than May does.
    No she didn't, Thatcher got 54% in a 2 horse race despite being PM for 11 years, having won 3 general elections and Tory leader for 15.

    She knew she was beaten hence she stepped down to back Major who could manage to beat Heseltine in the second round (having promised to drop the hated poll tax) and indeed did so.

    IDS won both the 2002 and 2003 local elections and led a number of polls in 2003, he would probably have done about as well as Howard in 2005
  • sladeslade Posts: 488

    Lab 4th to 1st in Lancaster

    Strange result
    It was held by an Independent with 38% of the vote. This went almost equally to Labour and the Lib Dems- so agreed a strange result.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 26,149

    Shit sandwich or a giant douche...What a choice.

    A South Park perchance?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 26,149
    Rather worrying claims about the UN in Burma I see.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41420973
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 33,646
    edited September 28
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Sure, in principle Tory members might think May SHOULD be removed as leader in principle - but HOW is it going to happen??

    Why would she go voluntarily? And why would Tory MPs oust her directly, when they haven't done that to any sitting PM in living memory?

    They effectively ousted Thatcher in 1990 who would have lost on the second ballot to Heseltine and they ousted IDS in 2003 by a vote of no confidence
    With regards to Thatcher, you can talk about "effectively" all you want, but they didn't oust her directly. (For what it's worth, I've personally always doubted they would've voted Thatcher out when it came to the crunch - as we've seen in recent years, Tory MPs might spend a lot of time grumbling anonymously to the papers in advance of a vote, but when a vote actually comes they fall into line - for a recent example, see the likes of Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan constantly whining in advance of a vote on Brexit legislation before eventually voting with the whip when it comes.)

    IDS is a completely different kettle of fish - for obvious reasons, ousting a leader in opposition is much less destructive than in government. Although, having said that, even in that case, the vote of no confidence was only passed pretty narrowly, even when the case against him was much more clear-cut than it will be against May.
    Thatcher's failure to get the required 15% lead over Heseltine despite being sitting MP scuppered her and a vote of no confidence is easier as it does not depend on an alternative.

    IDS lost the vote 90 votes to 75, pretty clear
    Wow! Easy to forget the Tories had only 165 seats not that long ago. I knew that, but it is still striking.
    Yes, which despite all the Corbyn mania shows you what a real Labour election winner managed to achieve
    That wasn't a winner, that was an A-grade arse-kicker. Even though the political winds were all in his favour.
    True, though even in 2005 he won almost 100 more seats than Corbyn did in 2017 despite less favourable political winds
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 26,149

    GIN1138 said:

    Watching QT I think it's reasonable to say that Jezza is not overwhelmingly popular in the Midlands... ;)

    On the contrary:

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/jeremy-corbyn-more-popular-birmingham-13160244

    I count 5 Labour gains in the Midlands under Jezza.
    But what are the total mp numbers compared to the past?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,438
    edited September 28
    Since the selection of a new leader is not done by asking the members who they would like as leader out of a field of 12 or so, and then choosing the one who gets the most votes, this polling tells you very little. It would be a bit more useful if they asked which of the potential candidates members would least like as next leader; I wouldn't be surprised if Boris topped that ranking as well.

    But before any candidate can even get that far, they have to survive the trial by sharp knives of the multiple rounds of MPs' votes. So no JRM for a starter, but other than that, if the contest is soon the two finalists will be one from the preferred list of Remain supporters (excluding Ruth Davidson) and one from the preferred list of Leave supporters.

    Having said that, the support for Ruth Davidson - who cannot even be a candidate at the moment, and who isn't all that well known amongst party members in England, is strikingly high. My own view is that she is the only one of those named whose selection would be a complete game-changer (and in a good way!). She of course may not want the job, but if she can be persuaded, the party should find a way to make it possible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 26,149
    Not been following the story much, but which nobody is expected to try to revive ukip tomorrow?
  • MimusMimus Posts: 30
    QT is just so dreadful, must be the worst ever. Even Peter Hitchens isn't scary anymore.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 8,726
    Most right wing QT audience ever tonight. I think NHS would be abolished if this lot were to decide.
  • kle4 said:

    Shit sandwich or a giant douche...What a choice.

    A South Park perchance?
    It certainly is. I have to say, normally the first episode back after a break is the best and the one on a couple of weeks didn't disappoint. Jezza would be happy as all Amazon Alexas and Google Homes are replaced by white working class folks who lost their traditional jobs.
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