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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,650
    Four coughs.

    A banned racehorse name.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 31,832
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,438
    Hello hello, a plug for Osborne?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 11,617
    FPT regarding the Rudd video.

    Tad cruel, nobody else is standing yet, Rudd is starting an ovation there. Could equally have said Rudd telling Davis and Hunt to stand too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 24,016
    How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 4,691
    Scott_P said:
    Let's hope that "COUNTRY" holds together!
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 783
    Closing part of the speech talking about she doesn't give up, doesn't back down, keeps fighting. And you saw proof of that today with the heckler and the voice trouble.

    For some, no clue how many I don't think today will go down that badly.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 1,866
    edited October 4
    At least she didn't slide under the podium and refuse to come out :grin:
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 5,530

    How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?

    I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 24,016

    How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?

    I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.
    Well the initial headlines from the Tory supporting newspapers aren't good. Mail and Telegraph very negative.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199
    Scott_P said:
    I suppose 'EVERY' could fall off too.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,650
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 11,617
    I suspect this won't be too long an ovation, I'd think May will want to get off stage ASAP.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,277
    Complete disaster.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 783

    How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?

    I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.
    Well the initial headlines from the Tory supporting newspapers aren't good. Mail and Telegraph very negative.
    They want May out though and have since the election.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 11,617
    May out and ovation over already. Not surprised. No IDS comparison there.
  • My stopwatch says the standing ovation lasted for 1 minute 55 seconds
  • This picture says it all, the F fell down during her speech

  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 2,113
    jonny83 said:

    Closing part of the speech talking about she doesn't give up, doesn't back down, keeps fighting. And you saw proof of that today with the heckler and the voice trouble.

    For some, no clue how many I don't think today will go down that badly.

    Not watching but if Big g on here as gone AWOL it can not be counted as a success.
  • Hello hello, a plug for Osborne?

    Yup, she should sack Boris and make Osborne Foreign Secretary.

    Would suit Boris, he wants to earn more money and I hear the Editorship of The Evening Standard pays very well.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 14,698
    The only option to replace her would be a coronation unless they want to put Brexit in doubt.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,438
    Centrica down 6%, SSE down 3%
  • Spectacle of a sitting PM almost crying in despair as she finishes her conference speech. She will be lucky not to face a challenge by tea time.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,277
    Worst conference speech by a prime minister ever.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 678
    Don't you think she sounds tired?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 8,237
    Haven't been paying much attention to UK politics lately but apparently it's the last season of Great Britain and everyone knows they've kind of run out of ideas and it's all over
  • stevefstevef Posts: 256
    I am a (non Corbynista) Labour supporter and no Tory, but there is a human angle to the May saga. To have a cold and lose her voice in the middle of the most important -and humiliating -speech of her career, deserves a little bit of human sympathy.
    She was lucky in that the guy who handed her the P45 looks like a complete nerd, and look like the kind of twatty person who would sing "O Jeremy Corbyn" (even if he was in reality a Tory).
    May's premiership will go down as one of the great political tragedies similar to Eden's 1956-7 and Brown's 2007-10.

    She will of course not last, nor should she, -but I feel one feel a little sorry for her.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,032
    So she wants to build more council housing.

    How's about relaxing the planning laws so individuals can build their own homes at affordable prices? Instead of building massive sink estates that breed poverty and crime.

    These are the Tories right?
  • We’ve need a Maggie but have a Brown. Enough. The country needs someone who can lead and communicate with people. She can’t. Go now.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,277
    edited October 4

    Centrica down 6%, SSE down 3%

    Have you gone off TM yet?
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 1,815
    edited October 4

    How long do we give it then before May gets the boot?

    I don't know. Sometimes these things can go either way.
    Well the initial headlines from the Tory supporting newspapers aren't good. Mail and Telegraph very negative.
    Telegraph is already in the tank for Boris, so not surprising.

    Hello hello, a plug for Osborne?

    Yup, she should sack Boris and make Osborne Foreign Secretary.

    Would suit Boris, he wants to earn more money and I hear the Editorship of The Evening Standard pays very well.
    She needs to do a Howard. Sack everyone in the cabinet from the 2005 intake and earlier and appoint a new team of hungry rookies.

    Lord Osborne for FCO obviously.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,277
    edited October 4
    fpt;
    Pong said:

    nielh said:

    I think you all need to chill out about the cough. It won't matter.

    To her plotters is does.

    They don't need an excuse any more.

    "She's not up to it"

    Who can disagree?

    The last thing the right want is a tory majority government building loads of council houses and cancelling student loans and race audits etc etc.
    FWIW, personally, I'm a fan of her new policy direction.

    But I recon ~75% chance this disaster of a speech has sealed her fate.

    "STRONG AND STABLE" FFS?

    Crosby Textor are a joke of a PR agency. The tories should sue them for incompetence. Is that possible?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,407
    Mike said "Very few young people in the audience"

    A couple of months ago I attended an event at the local Conservative Club. The only people younger than me were the bar staff. Everyone else was in their mid-60s or later.

    They definitely have an age-profile issue.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 21,487
    Given Brexit talks on trade are unlikely to start this year, and the outstanding A50 issues are already being heavily worked on both sides by civil servants and negotiators, I'd argue there is a window this month for a swift defenestration.

    There is no room for a party members vote. It would have to be as it was last July.
  • I apologise to the voters of West Yorkshire who in 2015 I told that Ed Miliband's energy policies would be disastrous and voting Tory would be the only way to stop such nonsense.

    I didn't mean to mislead you.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 19,987
    Missed it. Was it really that bad??

    *watches some clips on Twitter*

    Jesus. It was really that bad.

  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,049
    edited October 4
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199

    The only option to replace her would be a coronation unless they want to put Brexit in doubt.

    Can't see them agreeing on one person.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 21,487

    Mike said "Very few young people in the audience"

    A couple of months ago I attended an event at the local Conservative Club. The only people younger than me were the bar staff. Everyone else was in their mid-60s or later.

    They definitely have an age-profile issue.

    Dunno. You tend to get students and the very young 20-something aspiring researchers and bag-carriers.

    Then, a big gap until the 60s.

    It's those from aged 30-55 they have a problem with.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 875
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 3,407
    stevef said:

    I am a (non Corbynista) Labour supporter and no Tory, but there is a human angle to the May saga. To have a cold and lose her voice in the middle of the most important -and humiliating -speech of her career, deserves a little bit of human sympathy.
    ...
    but I feel one feel a little sorry for her.

    Yes indeed. That combined with the P45 and the letter falling off the wall behind her makes her look gaffe-prone. It will not help.

    Her health is reportedly not good and I am sure that being PM is not helping.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 256
    Churchill sometimes had coughing fits in the middle of his wartime speeches.....but the similarity between May and Clinton is a bit ominous

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199

    Mike said "Very few young people in the audience"

    A couple of months ago I attended an event at the local Conservative Club. The only people younger than me were the bar staff. Everyone else was in their mid-60s or later.

    They definitely have an age-profile issue.

    ... and apparently now have only the third largest party membership.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 8,237

    So she wants to build more council housing.

    How's about relaxing the planning laws so individuals can build their own homes at affordable prices? Instead of building massive sink estates that breed poverty and crime.

    These are the Tories right?

    They're not going to do it, they know the voters hate freedom.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 57,213
    edited October 4
    JohnO said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.

    Indeed, even I felt sorry for her, and admired her stoicism, and that's after she made a joke about George Osborne CH, pbuh.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 14,698
    stevef said:

    Churchill sometimes had coughing fits in the middle of his wartime speeches.....but the similarity between May and Clinton is a bit ominous

    Hopefully we won't see May being bundled into a van this afternoon.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,650
    Dura_Ace said:
    O, R & Y were hanging on with grim determination.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,101
    JohnO said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.

    Yes, I was wondering if anyone else thought that.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 4,760
    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.


  • Also there are no American tanks in Baghdad.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 112
    Does a cough matter? No, ... but it was not her cough that let her down, it was her reaction to the coughing that let her down. She realised that another chance to grab the reins was going begging, and we could all see it.

  • Yorkcity said:

    jonny83 said:

    Closing part of the speech talking about she doesn't give up, doesn't back down, keeps fighting. And you saw proof of that today with the heckler and the voice trouble.

    For some, no clue how many I don't think today will go down that badly.

    Not watching but if Big g on here as gone AWOL it can not be counted as a success.
    Big G present and correct and content with her speech.

    I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.

    A lot depends on the media coverage but she is going nowhere as I have maintained all along

    I do understand that those non conservative supporters are straining every tissue to see her go in the hope for a GE and a labour government but the comservative party will not open that door
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199
    Scott_P said:
    Oh, it would have been so much better to have him inside the tent.
    Even if he would then have been a rival.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 16,438
    edited October 4
    From a personal point of view, of course any sentient being will feel sympathy for Theresa May, and not just because of today; it must have been absolutely devastating for her to see what a gigantic screw-up she had made at the GE. However, sympathy doesn't usually translate into votes, normally it's the other way round.

    Perhaps more apposite is the reflection on to Boris. I have a feeling this won't help him.
  • Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.
  • eekeek Posts: 1,884
    tpfkar said:

    Don't you think she sounds tired?

    That has to be Russell Davies's greatest line...
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,095
    JohnO said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.

    Coughing or not she is still a rubbish PM devoid of even the most basic political skills.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199
    FF43 said:

    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.

    I can see that argument, but no I don't think so.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 256
    JohnO said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.

    I think thats correct. I think her PPBs during the election campaign showed her as imperious and a Thatcher mark 11.

    The speech -and cough - showed her as human, and being bullied (the P45). I am not a Tory, but I feel very sorry for her and find her more likeable.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 11,617

    Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.

    Next summer is both too late and too early. We'll be right in the middle of EU trade negotiations.

    Right now although A50 has been invoked the negotiations proper haven't started yet. There is a very narrow window here or else it has to be after they're completed and a deal is ratified by all parties (too dangerous to do it before ratification is complete).
  • @Steven_Swinford: No 10 says that Boris Johnson’s language over Libya corpses was not ‘appropriate’
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 8,726
    Inspiring speech

    From an inspiring PM

    Cough
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199

    @Steven_Swinford: No 10 says that Boris Johnson’s language over Libya corpses was not ‘appropriate’

    Did 'No 10' have to say anything or is this a diversionary act that also has the benefit of slapping Boris down.
  • RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 177
    They could sell them off like bits of the Berlin Wall.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 26,149

    My stopwatch says the standing ovation lasted for 1 minute 55 seconds

    Well in fairness after the silliness of Labour literally singing corbyns name they would always have gone for less adulation, especially as it's not a celebratory time, but probably shortened even more than planned.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 21,487
    FF43 said:

    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.

    Northern Ireland is the sticking point, not the money or - IMHO - even the ECJ jurisdiction on its own citizens within the UK, which is solvable with a joint body.

    I agree with Richard Nabavi that's inseparable from the trade deal for the UK overall, so it really is chicken and egg.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 4,760

    FF43 said:

    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.

    I can see that argument, but no I don't think so.
    The government won't sign on the dotted line of the Withdrawal Agreement or May won't be the one doing it? The moment we exit the EU by whatever means, May will have lost her purpose. So her rivals could force the issue by pushing the crash. But if we stick around they will want the humiliation to be dumped on her, surely?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199

    Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.

    Next summer is both too late and too early. We'll be right in the middle of EU trade negotiations.

    Right now although A50 has been invoked the negotiations proper haven't started yet. There is a very narrow window here or else it has to be after they're completed and a deal is ratified by all parties (too dangerous to do it before ratification is complete).
    Agreed.
    "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well. It were done quickly"
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 112


    I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.

    That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 26,149

    Have to say I feel very sorry for Tezzy but that's not really a good place to be for a PM. Too many memories of the quiet man speech. She'll probably hang on for now but the Cons might try and replace her next summer.

    Next summer is both too late and too early. We'll be right in the middle of EU trade negotiations.

    Right now although A50 has been invoked the negotiations proper haven't started yet. There is a very narrow window here or else it has to be after they're completed and a deal is ratified by all parties (too dangerous to do it before ratification is complete).
    Hang on until transition then to one of the younger figures. Go now and it's Boris and they'll probably need to change again.
  • Well no one is talking about housing or the excellent decision on organ donation.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 14,698

    FF43 said:

    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.

    Northern Ireland is the sticking point, not the money or - IMHO - even the ECJ jurisdiction on its own citizens within the UK, which is solvable with a joint body.

    I agree with Richard Nabavi that's inseparable from the trade deal for the UK overall, so it really is chicken and egg.
    The government's position is no physical infrastructure at all on the Irish border. If you think Northern Ireland is inseparable form the UK as a whole then that means that the government has no real intention of leaving the customs union at all.
  • nielhnielh Posts: 663
    Pong said:

    fpt;

    Pong said:

    nielh said:

    I think you all need to chill out about the cough. It won't matter.

    To her plotters is does.

    They don't need an excuse any more.

    "She's not up to it"

    Who can disagree?

    The last thing the right want is a tory majority government building loads of council houses and cancelling student loans and race audits etc etc.
    FWIW, personally, I'm a fan of her new policy direction.

    But I recon ~75% chance this disaster of a speech sealed her fate.
    It is more muddling centrism which is not, in the long term, the right strategy. As you say, it is not in their nature. And it doesn't solve the fundamental social and economic problems. And they have no mandate or majority to pursue such any radical strategy in government.

    But the con MP's are a sane group of people, and I don't see them changing leader.

    It really is a zombie government, and it could also spell the end of the conservative party. They died for Brexit!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 8,726
    stevef said:

    JohnO said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Theresa May’s personal ratings increase after the speech. The coughing and the stoicism will elicit sympathy and show, well, that she’s human.

    I think thats correct. I think her PPBs during the election campaign showed her as imperious and a Thatcher mark 11.

    The speech -and cough - showed her as human, and being bullied (the P45). I am not a Tory, but I feel very sorry for her and find her more likeable.
    Good for you
  • eristdoof said:


    I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.

    That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.

    She had 24 interviews yesterday and when you struggle with a cold and cough it is very difficult to control, believe me I have been there
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 41,377

    Well no one is talking about housing or the excellent decision on organ donation.

    ALL the BBC and Daily Mail comments are around housing.
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,248
    The F fell off. So people can do F Off jokes. She's just given a career ending speech during which an F fell off legitimising F Off jokes. What more proof of an organising force behind the Cosmos do you need ?

    It's basically poltergeist activity. The sheer Wagnerian horror of what has happened to her manifesting it's self psychokineticly. A synchronicity if ever I saw one. Jungian Karma.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,044
    Ugh, Theresa May is a complete waste of time. When are the Tories going to get rid?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,095
    eristdoof said:


    I used to do quite a lot of public speaking and occasionally suffer from coughing and it was difficult but you battle on.

    That a top politician does not know how to cope with this situation is the worrying aspect.

    Remember - TMay has ZERO political skills. This is all about her vanity.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 7,087
    It's a good job the u of country fell off along with the o...
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 149

    Given Brexit talks on trade are unlikely to start this year, and the outstanding A50 issues are already being heavily worked on both sides by civil servants and negotiators, I'd argue there is a window this month for a swift defenestration.

    There is no room for a party members vote. It would have to be as it was last July.

    There is no hope of a coronation surely - there is too much at stake in terms of Brexit and also too much enmity. Maybe David Davis could be a Michael Howard style unity candidate - but I think it would have to go to a ballot. Two coronations in 15 months vs Corbyn with a clear member mandate would look awful.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 5,199
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.

    I can see that argument, but no I don't think so.
    The government won't sign on the dotted line of the Withdrawal Agreement or May won't be the one doing it? The moment we exit the EU by whatever means, May will have lost her purpose. So her rivals could force the issue by pushing the crash. But if we stick around they will want the humiliation to be dumped on her, surely?
    Maybe they'd want that, but I think that it's become less feasible.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 14,698
    Polls reactions will be interesting (if May hangs on). They moved strongly against Hillary when she had her collapse.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 19,987
    Oh God. The Sun has all the best moments

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4610667/theresa-may-breaks-down-in-a-coughing-fit-during-excruciating-tory-conference-speech-as-philip-hammond-hands-her-a-lozenge/

    IDS's Quiet Man speech killed him. This is far worse. Only Brexit is preventing her rivals from moving, but for how long?
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 244
    The letters falling off the wall have to have been pre-scripted somehow. Just too perfect for words.

    TM: "An image of modern Britain"

    (fx: slogan falls off wall, Father Ted-style)
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 12,854
    Scott_P said:
    Most people who see that along with Osborne's comment are going to assume he is the one under the stage with the saw.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 9,361

    From a personal point of view, of course any sentient being will feel sympathy for Theresa May, and not just because of today; it must have been absolutely devastating for her to see what a gigantic screw-up she had made at the GE. However, sympathy doesn't usually translate into votes, normally it's the other way round.

    Perhaps more apposite is the reflection on to Boris. I have a feeling this won't help him.

    Absolutely do feel sympathy - must have been awful. But I think most voters will feel a bit like bosses having to write a reference for someone they like who wasn't quite up to the job, "Always made every effort and gave her utmost to the task."
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 8,726
    Must have released that prior to the speech surely.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 14,698

    Must have released that prior to the speech surely.
    Perhaps he was watching Thatcher on YouTube.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 12,340
    brendan16 said:

    Given Brexit talks on trade are unlikely to start this year, and the outstanding A50 issues are already being heavily worked on both sides by civil servants and negotiators, I'd argue there is a window this month for a swift defenestration.

    There is no room for a party members vote. It would have to be as it was last July.

    There is no hope of a coronation surely - there is too much at stake in terms of Brexit and also too much enmity. Maybe David Davis could be a Michael Howard style unity candidate - but I think it would have to go to a ballot. Two coronations in 15 months vs Corbyn with a clear member mandate would look awful.
    As long as a leader looks and acts like a leader, they will be followed irrespective of how they got there. Corbyn himself proved that during the election. That he had a members' mandate was beside the point before that, when the PLP were in complete revolt against him. They shut up not when he won in 2016 (or only briefly) but when he started proving effective.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 149

    FF43 said:

    Well! That was some speech! Not the borefest we were expecting. "F. off" subliminal messaging. Mrs May about to expire on stage at any time. The P45 prank that almost looked it was set up by the organisers. Unfortunate pan shots on the faces of the assembled cabinet: how long was this - and she - going to last?

    The content was weird. In part it was the speech David Cameron would give; in part the one Ed Miliband would give. Strange, given how beastly she was to both men.

    But one concrete thing in it. It all comes back to Brexit in the end. She made it clear she was going to declare sovereignty and sign on the dotted line of the A50 Withdrawal Agreement. All her prospective replacements will want her to do that, not them. So she will be around until she does.

    Northern Ireland is the sticking point, not the money or - IMHO - even the ECJ jurisdiction on its own citizens within the UK, which is solvable with a joint body.

    I agree with Richard Nabavi that's inseparable from the trade deal for the UK overall, so it really is chicken and egg.
    The government's position is no physical infrastructure at all on the Irish border. If you think Northern Ireland is inseparable form the UK as a whole then that means that the government has no real intention of leaving the customs union at all.
    Or is planning for the Customs union to include NI - via some form of all Ireland structure - but not GB?

    Ireland and the U.K had freedom of movement and customs controls from 1923 to 1993 so there is a sort of precedent.
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