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NEW: Electoral Commission launches fresh inquiry into whether Vote Leave, Darren Grimes & Veterans for Britain broke campaign rules in EU ref.

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,639
    edited November 2017
    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,250
    @estwebber: Anna Soubry says she warned that Article 50 shouldn't be triggered until Germany had a new govt in place and she was right
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810
    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Scott_P said:

    @estwebber: Anna Soubry says she warned that Article 50 shouldn't be triggered until Germany had a new govt in place and she was right

    what about all the thngs she got wrong ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948

    Scott_P said:

    @estwebber: Anna Soubry says she warned that Article 50 shouldn't be triggered until Germany had a new govt in place and she was right

    what about all the thngs she got wrong ?
    Becoming a Tory MP?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948
    edited November 2017
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Eh? Isn't that the very essence of Brexit? A Frenchmen will be able to travel and work more freely than a Brit.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @estwebber: Anna Soubry says she warned that Article 50 shouldn't be triggered until Germany had a new govt in place and she was right

    what about all the thngs she got wrong ?
    Becoming a Tory MP?
    yup

    she could have stayed in the LDs and ranted from the sidelines
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,639
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    It comes down to power and influence, which the rest of the EU will have more than us. In exactly the same way as getting a trade agreement with the US generally involves signing up to processes that heavily favour the US.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810
    Jonathan said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Eh? Isn't that the very essence of Brexit?
    In the UK I mean.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 20,645
    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.
    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810
    Makes you wonder why an even number of delegates were deciding things!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,639
    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
  • Is there another source/more details on the Peston ECJ claim? It’s vaguely worded and could cover a multitude of sins whole range of options.
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Because of all those Home Office screw ups, EU citizens need extra protections.

    One of the most prominent Brexiteers in this country moans about Jewish influence.

    Join the dots, clearly the government agrees with the EU.
  • Is there another source/more details on the Peston ECJ claim? It’s vaguely worded and could cover a multitude of sins whole range of options.

    It would surely apply only to the transistion period
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,639
    RobD said:

    Makes you wonder why an even number of delegates were deciding things!
    You can get into that situation with an odd number, if someone abstains or is absent.

    I wonder who is the official tosser of the EU?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    We can even it up easily. Give the ECJ jurisdiction over UK citizens too :)
  • I sense a Kipper revival is in the offing...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948
    You can feel that control flooding back today.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 20,645
    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Makes you wonder why an even number of delegates were deciding things!
    You can get into that situation with an odd number, if someone abstains or is absent.

    I wonder who is the official tosser of the EU?
    26 votes, 27 EU countries?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 20,645

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Because of all those Home Office screw ups, EU citizens need extra protections.

    U.
    More than citizens of any other country?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 64,256
    edited November 2017
    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
  • eekeek Posts: 1,962

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Makes you wonder why an even number of delegates were deciding things!
    You can get into that situation with an odd number, if someone abstains or is absent.

    I wonder who is the official tosser of the EU?
    26 votes, 27 EU countries?
    It is ironic that our vote is replaced by a coin toss
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948
    I bet those French and Dutch are really regretting that control they lost back to Britain today.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 20,645
    I calculate that that at £770 bn.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 2,639
    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
  • Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Jonathan said:

    I bet those French and Dutch are really regretting that control they lost back to Britain today.

    personally I reckon France is, theyre screwed, forever Germany's minion
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,639
    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    An amount that is justified by the value of what we get in return within the overall deal. And the lowest that will secure the deal we need, as with any other negotiation.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948

    Jonathan said:

    I bet those French and Dutch are really regretting that control they lost back to Britain today.

    personally I reckon France is, theyre screwed, forever Germany's minion
    If true, that bodes not at all well for us.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 4,692
    FPT
    TSE said :
    'I did my A Levels 20/21 years ago. '

    Glad to hear you managed a grade A at A Level History! However, even in the mid-1990s A levels were a good deal easier - in terms of achieving a particular grade - than back in the 1960s & 1970s. The switch to Absolute Marking from Relative Marking occurred in circa 1988 , and,thereafter, A level - and GCSE - grades shot up. I recall that cack in the early 1970s 30% of pupils failed to obtain even the lowest pass grade - ie an E grade . Nowadays more than 95% manage that - despite the fact that suck exams are no longer restricted to the most academic pupils.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 900
    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    If the answer to that is continuing ECJ interference in the laws of this country, then the answer to that is - go whistle.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
    The referendum campaign was a load of bollocks all round. Everyone came out diminished.
  • Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    I think we should offer way, way more than they ask for. That'll wrong-foot them
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 4,524
    Documentary on Lab GE 2017 campaign on BBC2 at 9pm.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 17,770

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
    Interestingly the Brexiteers seem most keen to apportion blame for the referendum result. Perhaps because they sense that winning will be the end of them.
  • justin124 said:

    FPT
    TSE said :
    'I did my A Levels 20/21 years ago. '

    Glad to hear you managed a grade A at A Level History! However, even in the mid-1990s A levels were a good deal easier - in terms of achieving a particular grade - than back in the 1960s & 1970s. The switch to Absolute Marking from Relative Marking occurred in circa 1988 , and,thereafter, A level - and GCSE - grades shot up. I recall that cack in the early 1970s 30% of pupils failed to obtain even the lowest pass grade - ie an E grade . Nowadays more than 95% manage that - despite the fact that suck exams are no longer restricted to the most academic pupils.

    "Suck exams" - *** insert smutty joke here ***
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
    The referendum campaign was a load of bollocks all round. Everyone came out diminished.
    yup

    which makes the whole PB your lies were bigger than our lies totally pointless

    none of the parties effectively addressed the issues
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 20,645

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
    Interestingly the Brexiteers seem most keen to apportion blame for the referendum result. Perhaps because they sense that winning will be the end of them.
    err if they won, why would they keep campaigning ?
  • eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Makes you wonder why an even number of delegates were deciding things!
    You can get into that situation with an odd number, if someone abstains or is absent.

    I wonder who is the official tosser of the EU?
    26 votes, 27 EU countries?
    It is ironic that our vote is replaced by a coin toss
    Nope.

    There's 28 EU members at the moment, including us, we were excluded from this vote, leaving 27 voters, so someone formally abstained.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    the BDI is simply looking at whats coming and realising Germany will feel pain from Brexit. Given how injured Merkel is I can see economic matters getting more priority over politics in coming months.
  • Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
    The referendum campaign was a load of bollocks all round. Everyone came out diminished.
    yup

    which makes the whole PB your lies were bigger than our lies totally pointless

    none of the parties effectively addressed the issues
    When do they ever ?

    All we ever get is 'my magic money tree is bigger than yours'.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,020

    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    Makes you wonder why an even number of delegates were deciding things!
    You can get into that situation with an odd number, if someone abstains or is absent.

    I wonder who is the official tosser of the EU?
    26 votes, 27 EU countries?
    It is ironic that our vote is replaced by a coin toss
    Nope.

    There's 28 EU members at the moment, including us, we were excluded from this vote, leaving 27 voters, so someone formally abstained.
    Bratislava ?
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Ardent Brexiteer alert.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,250
    February 17 2016, 12:01am,
    The Times

    A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.

    A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.

    He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.

    Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.

    “It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-groups-plot-to-break-campaign-spending-limit-k86qwrc7w
  • Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    Sean_F said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT I can imagine the kind of reaction we'd get here if anyone proposed German and Scandinavian church taxes.

    IanB2 said:

    First?

    Once we get past the inevitable tabloid hysteria, the question re. the €40bn or whatever is what we eventually get for it.

    I want us to pay what we owe. There will be money owed on leaving the EU, as liabilities exceed assets. That doesn't mean paying whatever is demanded.
    If only the real world was as tidy as your mind.
    What do you consider that we should pay?
    £350 million per week for every week we were a member of the EC/EU.
    behave or Ill set the bus on you
    Reality replacement bus service.
    of course

    loads of remainers have blamed the bus instead of their own shit performance in the referendum, but if it keeps you happy.....
    The referendum campaign was a load of bollocks all round. Everyone came out diminished.
    yup

    which makes the whole PB your lies were bigger than our lies totally pointless

    none of the parties effectively addressed the issues
    Yeah, we need to save space for the endless "was the election a triumph or disaster for May" debate.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 900
    Scott_P said:

    February 17 2016, 12:01am,
    The Times

    A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.

    A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.

    He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.

    Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.

    “It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-groups-plot-to-break-campaign-spending-limit-k86qwrc7w

    £9m the government spent on a pro EU leaflet days before the purdah period.
  • Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 21,359
    MikeL said:

    Documentary on Lab GE 2017 campaign on BBC2 at 9pm.

    I'd be particularly interested to know whether they really thought they were going to do badly right up to 10pm on polling day.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810
    Scott_P said:

    February 17 2016, 12:01am,
    The Times

    A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.

    A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.

    He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.

    Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.

    “It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-groups-plot-to-break-campaign-spending-limit-k86qwrc7w

    They advertised it in a national newspaper and still got away with it? :p
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?

    Brexit innit ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,250
    kyf_100 said:

    days before the purdah period.

    So the calendar is important

    Steve Baker suggesting spending during the campaign
  • Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?

    Because it's autumn?
  • Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
    he took the nation for idiots and they took hm for one back
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2017
    kyf_100 said:

    Scott_P said:

    February 17 2016, 12:01am,
    The Times

    A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.

    A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.

    He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.

    Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.

    “It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-groups-plot-to-break-campaign-spending-limit-k86qwrc7w

    £9m the government spent on a pro EU leaflet days before the purdah period.
    Andy Street bought the conservatives the WM mayorality using the same spend-shitloads-on-advertising-immediately-before-the-campaign-spending-limits-kick-in method.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 900
    Scott_P said:

    kyf_100 said:

    days before the purdah period.

    So the calendar is important

    Steve Baker suggesting spending during the campaign
    Yes, thank you, I can read.

    Just because one is within the letter of the law and the other isn't, doesn't mean that the £9m spent days before the campaign began, using the official branding of Her Majesty's Government, wasn't deeply unfair.

    Remain did all they could to tie the leave campaign's hands behind their backs before the campaign even began.

    The result? 52/48 :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 17,770

    Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
    You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 17,417
    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    "We want to launch a Battle for Britain with this initiative...."

    How did the last one work out, lads?
  • Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
    You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
    The UK has been a supplicant to the EU since 1973.

    Though their were minor victories along the way - when British governments remembered they could say No and keep saying No until they got what they wanted.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 900
    edited November 2017
    Pong said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Scott_P said:

    February 17 2016, 12:01am,
    The Times

    A leading Eurosceptic campaign group is planning a “criminal” attempt to get around the £7 million referendum spending limits, leaked emails suggest.

    A leading figure in Vote Leave, one of the two groups battling for official recognition to run the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union, told colleagues that his organisation has found a way “to spend as much money as is necessary to win”.

    He said that Vote Leave, which he helps to oversee, hoped to get around the spending ceiling by using a series of front organisations.

    Steve Baker, the co-chairman of Conservatives for Britain, wrote in an email that Vote Leave wanted to get around the limit by using front organisations.

    “It is open to the Vote Leave family to create separate legal entities, each of which could spend £700,000: Vote Leave will be able to spend as much money as is necessary to win the referendum,” he said in an email sent on Saturday afternoon.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-groups-plot-to-break-campaign-spending-limit-k86qwrc7w

    £9m the government spent on a pro EU leaflet days before the purdah period.
    Andy Street bought the conservatives the WM mayorality using the same spend-shitloads-on-advertising-immediately-before-the-campaign-spending-limits-kick-in method.
    Yes, there were also serious concerns about the Conservatives paying to advertise in local newspapers in marginal constituencies using only national branding, thus circumventing spending laws, at GE2017.

    As I said to Scott'n'Paste, just because something is within the letter of the law, doesn't mean it's fair.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:
    If the EU hold out until Jan, it will be £80 billion...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 21,359
    BBC: Britain to lose seat on International Court of Justice for the first time since it was set up in 1946.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).


    first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )


    FDP 10 (10,7 )
    CDU 31 (32,9)
    SPD 21 (20,5 )
    Greens 12 (8.9 )
    Linke 9 (9.2 )
    AfD 12 (12.6)

    so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE

    still doesnt give a government
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,250
    AndyJS said:

    BBC: Britain to lose seat on International Court of Justice for the first time since it was set up in 1946.

    Another Brexit dividend...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
    You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
    because the assume the position stratgey worked out so well for him
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,948

    Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?

    Sells papers
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810
    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    BBC: Britain to lose seat on International Court of Justice for the first time since it was set up in 1946.

    Another Brexit dividend...
    Was that really Brexit related? Sounds as though India's candidate had the backing of a big majority in the general assembly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 43,020

    Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).


    first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )


    FDP 10 (10,7 )
    CDU 31 (32,9)
    SPD 21 (20,5 )
    Greens 12 (8.9 )
    Linke 9 (9.2 )
    AfD 12 (12.6)

    so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE

    still doesnt give a government

    CDU- FDP with supply from AfD looks the ticket to me. But I assume Merkel won't go for that..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 5,129
    Easy on the Schadenfreude - we lost it first....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Pulpstar said:

    Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).


    first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )


    FDP 10 (10,7 )
    CDU 31 (32,9)
    SPD 21 (20,5 )
    Greens 12 (8.9 )
    Linke 9 (9.2 )
    AfD 12 (12.6)

    so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE

    still doesnt give a government

    CDU- FDP with supply from AfD looks the ticket to me. But I assume Merkel won't go for that..
    only with her head on a pike on the Brandenburg Gate
  • Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).


    first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )


    FDP 10 (10,7 )
    CDU 31 (32,9)
    SPD 21 (20,5 )
    Greens 12 (8.9 )
    Linke 9 (9.2 )
    AfD 12 (12.6)

    so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE

    still doesnt give a government

    Merkel should retire and give someone a go.

    She's clearly years past her best.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2017
    Jonathan said:

    Can anyone explain why for the last few weeks I've been seeing ' Big freeze imminent, snow on its way, Britain to be colder than Iceland, worst winter for decades ' headlines yet its above 10 deg C in the middle of the night ?

    Sells papers
    Cold weather in winter shock!

    Express usually does it about now.
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Ardent Brexiteer alert.
    Um No. Just someone who believes in everyone being equal before the law. Obviously a concept that is alien to you - along with basic principles of democracy from what I have seen.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 39,624
    'Labour - The Summer that Changed everything' now on BBC2, following a number of Labour MPs through the general election campaign this year.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Bundestagswahl, wie eine Forsa-Umfrage für RTL und n-tv am Montag ergab. Die FDP würde demnach mit 10 Prozent gegenüber 10,7 bei der Bundestagswahl verlieren. Auch CDU/CSU kämen nur auf 31 Prozent (bei der Wahl: 32,9). Die SPD würde 21 Prozent erreichen (20,5). Das größte Plus erzielten die Grünen (12 Prozent, Wahl: 8,9). Die Linke käme auf 9 Prozent (9,2) und die AfD auf 12 Prozent (12,6).


    first cut opinion poll from Germany ( brackets GE % )


    FDP 10 (10,7 )
    CDU 31 (32,9)
    SPD 21 (20,5 )
    Greens 12 (8.9 )
    Linke 9 (9.2 )
    AfD 12 (12.6)

    so CDU down and greens up, rest MoE

    still doesnt give a government

    Merkel should retire and give someone a go.

    She's clearly years past her best.
    unfortunately she has left no successor, it will be like when Thatcher or Blair left, an army of placemen with no ideas wondering why nobody is telling them what to do
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 35,250
    RobD said:

    Was that really Brexit related? Sounds as though India's candidate had the backing of a big majority in the general assembly.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 17,770

    Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
    You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
    because the assume the position stratgey worked out so well for him
    His mistake was not realising his real negotiation was with the fanatics in his own party. He should have just held the referendum on the status quo as was.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    Was that really Brexit related? Sounds as though India's candidate had the backing of a big majority in the general assembly.

    I'll take that as a no then.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 8,056
    HYUFD said:

    'Labour - The Summer that Changed everything' now on BBC2, following a number of Labour MPs through the general election campaign this year.

    Lots of popcorn required!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 31,810

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    I really hope not. Why should EU citizens have more rights than UK ones?
    Ardent Brexiteer alert.
    Um No. Just someone who believes in everyone being equal before the law. Obviously a concept that is alien to you - along with basic principles of democracy from what I have seen.
    As a famous man once said... I love democracy. :smiley:
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269

    Sean_F said:

    Freggles said:

    Jonathan said:

    You can feel that control flooding back today.

    Yes, it's all a bit - wait - what's that?

    It's the GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS KLAXON!!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42049565
    So the German CBI wants to give us the deal Germany should have given Cameron.

    That horse. Has. Bolted.
    21 months too late. At the time, Cameron was told to get lost.
    To be fair Cameron asking for susidiarity on the paperclip directive, telling the Germans he would recommend a Remain vote in all circumstances and assuring them that Remain would win easily was not diplomacy on the Talleyrand / Metternich level.
    You seem to think that had Cameron convinced them he would have advocated Leave that it would have strengthened his hand. It wouldn't, because it would only have been a threat to place the UK in the position it now finds itself in, in which we are a supplicant to the EU27.
    because the assume the position stratgey worked out so well for him
    His mistake was not realising his real negotiation was with the fanatics in his own party. He should have just held the referendum on the status quo as was.
    lol

    it;s the way you casually call others fanatics that amuses
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 29,606
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    BBC: Britain to lose seat on International Court of Justice for the first time since it was set up in 1946.

    Another Brexit dividend...
    Was that really Brexit related?
    Everything is Brexit related if it is bad news.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 16,269
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    Was that really Brexit related? Sounds as though India's candidate had the backing of a big majority in the general assembly.

    ROW 3 - 0 London
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    BBC: Britain to lose seat on International Court of Justice for the first time since it was set up in 1946.

    Another Brexit dividend...
    Was that really Brexit related? Sounds as though India's candidate had the backing of a big majority in the general assembly.
    It seems being an Overseas Aid Superpower isn't bringing the promised rewards.

    We'll be losing the Presidencies of FIFA and the ICC next.
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