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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Republicans lose control of the Virginia House of Delegates after a seat moved to CON by a single vote

An extraordinary fluke. After recounts Democrat wins Virginia House seat by just ONE vote meaning that its is now Dem 50 – GOP 50 – so the Republicans lose control

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  • 60% of the time, it works everytime
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 1,936
    What a shambles US elections are, bet the repubs have gone into meltdown crybaby mode, i.e. Situation normal.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    Third, like the SNP.
  • Haha
  • There's a touch of David 'Bananaman' Miliband about Gavin Williamson.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,917

    There's a touch of David 'Bananaman' Miliband about Gavin Williamson.

    Nailed it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,917
    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.
  • https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,509
    CONS GAIN VIRGINIA SOUTH EAST
  • RobDRobD Posts: 30,933

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Perhaps Brussels doesn't understand the words "in perpetuity" ;)
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 1,300

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Was that a treaty that Britain was a party to as a result of being very engaged in European affairs? Like an island that is part of a larger continent is obliged to be? Just asking.
  • The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 30,933

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Was that a treaty that Britain was a party to as a result of being very engaged in European affairs? Like an island that is part of a larger continent is obliged to be? Just asking.
    Not sure that you have to be in a union with countries to be engaged with them.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,267
    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 61,058
    edited December 2017
    Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    For Nadine I will make an exception.

    Everyone else can stay.

    Dave's biggest mistake as PM was giving Nadine Dorries the whip back

  • https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Menorca was also British 1713 to 1756, 1763 to 1783 and 1798 to 1802
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 16,536

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Ah the hard border inside the single market and EU.

  • Uh oh, this might be the beginning of a trend.

    Met to review all ongoing rape cases after second trial collapses

    Alleged child rapist cleared after non-disclosure of material from police was discovered, leading to a review of all cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/19/met-to-review-all-ongoing-cases-after-second-trial-collapses
  • Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    Anna Soubry and particularly Heidi Allen do seem better suited to the Lib Dems these days - but Heidi may be a bit too left wing for them!

    It's a broad church - but so spectacularly undermining your PM as they and colleagues did last week is hardly going to endear them to the rest of the party, Dominic Grieve clearly did it on a point of principle - I am less clear about some of the others but I expect May sacking them when she became PM didn't have anything to do with it.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726

    Uh oh, this might be the beginning of a trend.

    Met to review all ongoing rape cases after second trial collapses

    Alleged child rapist cleared after non-disclosure of material from police was discovered, leading to a review of all cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/19/met-to-review-all-ongoing-cases-after-second-trial-collapses

    Very worrying indeed.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 2,546

    Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    For Nadine I will make an exception.

    Everyone else can stay.

    Dave's biggest mistake as PM was giving Nadine Dorries the whip back

    TSE I believe she knows the price of milk.So in touch with ordinary voters ?
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 2,546
    IanB2 said:

    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.

    I thought the government said we would get a referendum if your local council raised its tax over 2%.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    IanB2 said:

    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.

    When was the last council tax revaluation for residential property?

    In lieu of an update, allowing up to 2.99% and a similar amount for a social care precept sounds eminently sensible.
  • Mortimer said:

    Uh oh, this might be the beginning of a trend.

    Met to review all ongoing rape cases after second trial collapses

    Alleged child rapist cleared after non-disclosure of material from police was discovered, leading to a review of all cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/19/met-to-review-all-ongoing-cases-after-second-trial-collapses

    Very worrying indeed.
    what the fuck are the police doing?

    In the first case, even the prosecution was in the dark.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 6,803

    Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    For Nadine I will make an exception.

    Everyone else can stay.

    Dave's biggest mistake as PM was giving Nadine Dorries the whip back

    She has a point about soubry's behaviour in the commons,poor Bernard Jenkins was shouted at nearly all through his speech.
  • Mortimer said:

    Uh oh, this might be the beginning of a trend.

    Met to review all ongoing rape cases after second trial collapses

    Alleged child rapist cleared after non-disclosure of material from police was discovered, leading to a review of all cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/19/met-to-review-all-ongoing-cases-after-second-trial-collapses

    Very worrying indeed.
    what the fuck are the police doing?

    In the first case, even the prosecution was in the dark.
    They'll scream they are under pressure from cuts but it is rank laziness or incompetence.

    The inference from the first case was that there were 40,000 messages across various messaging platforms so a screw up was inevitable.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 20,642
    edited December 2017

    Mortimer said:

    Uh oh, this might be the beginning of a trend.

    Met to review all ongoing rape cases after second trial collapses

    Alleged child rapist cleared after non-disclosure of material from police was discovered, leading to a review of all cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/19/met-to-review-all-ongoing-cases-after-second-trial-collapses

    Very worrying indeed.
    what the fuck are the police doing?

    In the first case, even the prosecution was in the dark.
    In addition to this, there's also the forensics cock-up that was in the news recently:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/21/forensics-data-manipulation-may-have-affected-10000-cases
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 10,611
    edited December 2017

    There's a touch of David 'Bananaman' Miliband about Gavin Williamson.

    But without the self assured, hepcat cool of Miliband Major.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 342
    edited December 2017
    Mortimer said:

    IanB2 said:

    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.

    When was the last council tax revaluation for residential property?

    In lieu of an update, allowing up to 2.99% and a similar amount for a social care precept sounds eminently sensible.
    1991 was the year when the last and only council tax revaluation occurred.

    The valuations now mean residents of inner London pay much less than they should do and people in the north and Midlands pay too much. There are around 28000 properties in Camden, Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster for example in bands A and B whereas a typical new build in Barking is placed in Band C. The former would probably be in Band F now.

    An oligarch living on his own in a £50m One Hyde park apartment pays barely £1k a year in council tax as Westminster's rate is so low. A pensioner couple living in a modest house in Kingston could pay over £3000 a year.

    It's quite a rotten and thoroughly unfair and regressive tax based on woefully out of date valuations - which needs radical reform. But no govt has the guts to do it thanks to the poll tax.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 2,607
    edited December 2017

    Mortimer said:

    Uh oh, this might be the beginning of a trend.

    Met to review all ongoing rape cases after second trial collapses

    Alleged child rapist cleared after non-disclosure of material from police was discovered, leading to a review of all cases

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/19/met-to-review-all-ongoing-cases-after-second-trial-collapses

    Very worrying indeed.
    what the fuck are the police doing?

    In the first case, even the prosecution was in the dark.
    What they always do these days, concentrating on destroying the remnants of trust they used to have. Proving they are so self important that they ignore basic principles, like honesty, integrity.
  • There's a touch of David 'Bananaman' Miliband about Gavin Williamson.

    But without the self assured, hepcat cool of Miliband Major.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    brendan16 said:

    Mortimer said:

    IanB2 said:

    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.

    When was the last council tax revaluation for residential property?

    In lieu of an update, allowing up to 2.99% and a similar amount for a social care precept sounds eminently sensible.
    1991 was the year when the last and only council tax revaluation occurred.

    The valuations now mean residents of inner London pay much less than they should do and people in the north and Midlands pay too much. There are around 28000 properties in Camden, Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster for example in bands A and B whereas a typical new build in Barking is placed in Band C. The former would probably be in Band F now.

    An oligarch living on his own in a £50m One Hyde park apartment pays barely £1k a year in council tax as Westminster's rate is so low. A pensioner couple living in a modest house in Kingston could pay over £3000 a year.

    It's quite a rotten and thoroughly unfair and regressive tax based on woefully out of date valuations - which needs radical reform. But no govt has the guts to do it thanks to the poll tax.
    Yes, I thought it was early nineties. 26 years ago. Good grief.

    I wonder if an abolition of the VOA to be replaced by local revaluation offices and local control of residential property valuation is the way forward....
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 20,168
    Brexit prediction. London will boom again.

    Within the next 2-3 years, when everyone realises that Brexit is not the End Times, the intrinsic atractions of the capital will kick back in, and the property market will go Totally Bukkake, once more.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 9,267

    Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    For Nadine I will make an exception.

    Everyone else can stay.

    Dave's biggest mistake as PM was giving Nadine Dorries the whip back

    She has a point about soubry's behaviour in the commons,poor Bernard Jenkins was shouted at nearly all through his speech.
    He's an idiot with no self-awareness, a long-time EU rebel hamfistedly trying to have a go at his colleagues for considering voting against the government,
  • RogerRoger Posts: 8,527
    An AMAZING interview with Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant on Newsnight. What an impressive lady.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614
    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

  • Mortimer said:

    brendan16 said:

    Mortimer said:

    IanB2 said:

    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.

    When was the last council tax revaluation for residential property?

    In lieu of an update, allowing up to 2.99% and a similar amount for a social care precept sounds eminently sensible.
    1991 was the year when the last and only council tax revaluation occurred.

    The valuations now mean residents of inner London pay much less than they should do and people in the north and Midlands pay too much. There are around 28000 properties in Camden, Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster for example in bands A and B whereas a typical new build in Barking is placed in Band C. The former would probably be in Band F now.

    An oligarch living on his own in a £50m One Hyde park apartment pays barely £1k a year in council tax as Westminster's rate is so low. A pensioner couple living in a modest house in Kingston could pay over £3000 a year.

    It's quite a rotten and thoroughly unfair and regressive tax based on woefully out of date valuations - which needs radical reform. But no govt has the guts to do it thanks to the poll tax.
    Yes, I thought it was early nineties. 26 years ago. Good grief.

    I wonder if an abolition of the VOA to be replaced by local revaluation offices and local control of residential property valuation is the way forward....
    The VOA is being gutted by the Treasury and is losing one third of its staff by 2020. They can't handle their business rates workload let alone council tax. So perhaps a more localised system might work - the problem is revaluations are usually national and redistributive so you would need some consistency - not Camden prices are up 17 per cent but the rest of London is dropping nonsense you see in the media!!

    Wales had a revaluation in 2005 - Cardiff lost out but much of the rest of Wales saw bills fall.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 4,234

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Was that a treaty that Britain was a party to as a result of being very engaged in European affairs? Like an island that is part of a larger continent is obliged to be? Just asking.
    You have failed to grasp the meaning of the word ”continent”, and the root cause of our being party to the treaties was our national obligation to detest and be detested by the French at all times.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614
    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 20,168
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

    My flat is now valued at its highest ever by Zoopla. A big increase in the last few months. It is now worth double what I paid in 2009.

    As I said to you in another email, I think London is now too big to fail, like a massive bank during the crash. Too many rich powerful people are invested in its success, in so many ways, for it to sink. And its intrinsic attractions are multiple and unrepeatable.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    edited December 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 270

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    Was that a treaty that Britain was a party to as a result of being very engaged in European affairs? Like an island that is part of a larger continent is obliged to be? Just asking.
    Actually, I believe it was gained after a Tory government abandoned their European allies to sign a deal that primarily benefitted the UK.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 16,536
    From Soubry ? Seems harsh. Should imagine her local association will provide the revolver in 2022.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 6,803
    IanB2 said:

    Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    For Nadine I will make an exception.

    Everyone else can stay.

    Dave's biggest mistake as PM was giving Nadine Dorries the whip back

    She has a point about soubry's behaviour in the commons,poor Bernard Jenkins was shouted at nearly all through his speech.
    He's an idiot with no self-awareness, a long-time EU rebel hamfistedly trying to have a go at his colleagues for considering voting against the government,
    Maybe so but Soubry's behavour was out of order .

    She was just sat right in front of him and at the end of his speech ,jenkins bent over to tell her something,bet it wasn't anything nice.
  • Repost FPT in case rcs is watching.
    rcs1000 said:


    Ireland is a slight cheat because their GDP was sharply revised upwards - not thanks to growth, but due to historic miscalculations.

    Feeling an ignoramus here, but my understanding was that GDP revisions over such errors don't just affect one year's data, but are usually applied retroactively (though with difficulty and considerable educated guesstimation) across the whole series.

    Obviously my belief is wrong, as a quick glance at this graph will confirm - approx 26% uprating of GDP in 2015.

    Are there retrospectively updated figures actually available for Ireland? Any reason why the World Bank figures haven't been?
  • ElliotElliot Posts: 270
    brendan16 said:

    Mortimer said:

    IanB2 said:

    How the Council Tax increase story plays out will be interesting. Had councils been left to set their own rates, a sudden hike would reflect badly on those local authorities. But a side effect of the government having gone to such lengths to cap annual increases for so very long, the results of suddenly releasing that cap, at a time when incomes are under pressure and benefits are frozen, could easily rebound on the government itself.

    When was the last council tax revaluation for residential property?

    In lieu of an update, allowing up to 2.99% and a similar amount for a social care precept sounds eminently sensible.
    1991 was the year when the last and only council tax revaluation occurred.

    The valuations now mean residents of inner London pay much less than they should do and people in the north and Midlands pay too much. There are around 28000 properties in Camden, Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster for example in bands A and B whereas a typical new build in Barking is placed in Band C. The former would probably be in Band F now.

    An oligarch living on his own in a £50m One Hyde park apartment pays barely £1k a year in council tax as Westminster's rate is so low. A pensioner couple living in a modest house in Kingston could pay over £3000 a year.

    It's quite a rotten and thoroughly unfair and regressive tax based on woefully out of date valuations - which needs radical reform. But no govt has the guts to do it thanks to the poll tax.
    That isn't right. Each council still needs to raise the same amount. If all houses are revalued upwards in a council area, then they won't all pay more tax and vice versa. What matters is the relative price changes within council areas, not between them.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 20,642
    SeanT said:

    Brexit prediction. London will boom again.

    Within the next 2-3 years, when everyone realises that Brexit is not the End Times, the intrinsic atractions of the capital will kick back in, and the property market will go Totally Bukkake, once more.

    It would be interesting if you wrote a book on how London has changed since 1981.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,628
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

    My flat is now valued at its highest ever by Zoopla. A big increase in the last few months. It is now worth double what I paid in 2009.

    As I said to you in another email, I think London is now too big to fail, like a massive bank during the crash. Too many rich powerful people are invested in its success, in so many ways, for it to sink. And its intrinsic attractions are multiple and unrepeatable.
    Just so you know, I've spent the week selling my Bitcoin stash. Drinks are on me at the next PB bash.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
    Would very much like to get this agricultural lunch in the diary for 2018.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,628
    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
    Would very much like to get this agricultural lunch in the diary for 2018.
    Maybe February 29th?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
    Would very much like to get this agricultural lunch in the diary for 2018.
    Maybe February 29th?
    Very droll sir.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,628
    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
    Would very much like to get this agricultural lunch in the diary for 2018.
    Maybe February 29th?
    Very droll sir.
    Once we’re out of the EU we can have a February 29th every year.
  • The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.

    Perhaps she would fit in better with the right of the Labour party then?

    After all for all the talk of purges the left of Labour have simply won democratic elections the purges of Labour people have come from the right of Labour over the last few years in an attempt to stall Corbyn.

    Although I guess when the purges are of people you don't like it is okay.....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,628

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.

    Perhaps she would fit in better with the right of the Labour party then?

    After all for all the talk of purges the left of Labour have simply won democratic elections the purges of Labour people have come from the right of Labour over the last few years in an attempt to stall Corbyn.

    Although I guess when the purges are of people you don't like it is okay.....
    Welcome.

    Has the right of the Labour Party actually purged anyone?

    Apart from that old bloke who was heckling at one of the conferences?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 8,726
    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
    Would very much like to get this agricultural lunch in the diary for 2018.
    Maybe February 29th?
    Very droll sir.
    Once we’re out of the EU we can have a February 29th every year.
    Chapeau.

    That, and removing droit de suite will make all this Brexit keyboard bashing worthwhile.

    :)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,628
    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I met Nadine once and she was utterly charming. She offered to look after my 18 month old son, while I took my four year old daughter to the bathroom. I politely declined (after all, who'd risk a small child with a politician), but appreciated her very genuine offer.

    That being said, the restaurant was Le Caprice, one of London's finest. Not many "one of the people" go there :smile:.
    I do love a PB anecdote!

    Still not been to LC, but I do like Daphnes and various Ivies - must make it soon.

    Maybe a good venue for the long discussed slap up PB lunch....?
    Not agricultural enough for the required lunch; sadly now full of shirtsleeved minor wannabe hedgies.
    Would very much like to get this agricultural lunch in the diary for 2018.
    Maybe February 29th?
    Very droll sir.
    Once we’re out of the EU we can have a February 29th every year.
    Chapeau.

    That, and removing droit de suite will make all this Brexit keyboard bashing worthwhile.

    :)
    :smile:

    G’night.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Mortimer said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.
    Gah. I wish people would stop wishing others out of the party.
    For Nadine I will make an exception.

    Everyone else can stay.

    Dave's biggest mistake as PM was giving Nadine Dorries the whip back

    Tory deselection and harrassment by activists equals fine and dandy grassroots activism, while Labour reselectuons are evidence of takeover by Trotskyite infiltrators.

    Just checking that I have the PB Tory line correct :)
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 342
    edited December 2017
    Sorry Elliot - not quite correct.

    The government would reallocate grants and retained business rates between councils to compensate for the relative change in valuations. Relativity does matter - within and between authorities. Otherwise what would be the point - as it's supposed to be redistributive in order to reflect relative changes in house prices between areas.

    People in Camden and Hackney would pay more - people in Carlisle and Huddersfield less - as prices have gone up far more in the former than the latter in percentage terms since 1991.

    Check out what happened in Wales - or indeed at the 2017 business rates revaluation this year, Bills for businesses in Hackney and Lambeth and Islington rocketed as places like Dalston, Kings Cross and Brixton have boomed since the last one in 2010 with massive rises in commercial rents - and in every region outside London business rates income fell via the redistribution mechanism. The government took £1bn off London councils to offset the extra revenues they were getting through the funding settlement. Same would apply for a council tax revaluation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 37,512
    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible
  • TOPPING said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.

    Perhaps she would fit in better with the right of the Labour party then?

    After all for all the talk of purges the left of Labour have simply won democratic elections the purges of Labour people have come from the right of Labour over the last few years in an attempt to stall Corbyn.

    Although I guess when the purges are of people you don't like it is okay.....
    Welcome.

    Has the right of the Labour Party actually purged anyone?

    Apart from that old bloke who was heckling at one of the conferences?
    There was a purge of members who might be supportive of Corbyn on the most spurious of grounds in an attempt to block him winning the leadership second time around, there was also something more closely resembling a coup, than the internal Labour election victories of the left, in their attempts to unseat him from the leadership and the attempt to block him from appearing on the ballot in his second leadership win.

    It is hard to take peoples objections seriously when they have a problem when it doesn't suit them, especially as the 'purge' and 'coup' phrases seem to far more accurately describe the behavior of the right of the party. Elections can be won for all kinds of dirty reasons but the ascendancy of the Labour left within Labour is no more a coup than the electoral success of Thatcher and Blair within their parties and against other parties they have won by being more popular than their opponents, rightly or wrongly.

    And thanks for the welcome, been reading the site for a few months now seems one of the best for UK political discussion, props to whoever runs it. Also don't judge me too harshly on the name saw a few people say it and it made me laugh.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 37,512
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

    My flat is now valued at its highest ever by Zoopla. A big increase in the last few months. It is now worth double what I paid in 2009.

    As I said to you in another email, I think London is now too big to fail, like a massive bank during the crash. Too many rich powerful people are invested in its success, in so many ways, for it to sink. And its intrinsic attractions are multiple and unrepeatable.
    It won't fail but I expect the FTA that ends free movement but requires the UK to leave the single market we end up with to see Paris catch up with London as the greatest city in Europe, albeit not overtake and New York may well open up a clear lead over London as the greatest world city.

    The gap between London and the Home Counties and the rest of the country will narrow a bit though in terms of house prices and gdp and that could well be a good thing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 10,611
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    You mean..gulp..having a good ground game helps?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 37,512

    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    You mean..gulp..having a good ground game helps?
    Of course, you aim to have identified all committed supporters and possible supporters over the course of the campaign and then put out a reminder note and knock up as many as you can on eve of poll and polling day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 28,039
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

    My flat is now valued at its highest ever by Zoopla. A big increase in the last few months. It is now worth double what I paid in 2009.

    As I said to you in another email, I think London is now too big to fail, like a massive bank during the crash. Too many rich powerful people are invested in its success, in so many ways, for it to sink. And its intrinsic attractions are multiple and unrepeatable.
    It had better be, the rest of us need to leech off its success to get though this!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614

    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    You mean..gulp..having a good ground game helps?
    I think HYUFD is talking about the long game. It's well known that the children of activists are required to support the party of their parents. By knocking up as many voters as possible, activists are doing the best for the long term success of their party.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

    My flat is now valued at its highest ever by Zoopla. A big increase in the last few months. It is now worth double what I paid in 2009.

    As I said to you in another email, I think London is now too big to fail, like a massive bank during the crash. Too many rich powerful people are invested in its success, in so many ways, for it to sink. And its intrinsic attractions are multiple and unrepeatable.
    It had better be, the rest of us need to leech off its success to get though this!
    If everyone just buys bitcoin, we can all be rich!
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 66
    edited December 2017
    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    I would have thought 18 years beforehand (or 16 years if in Scotland)

    [Apologies. I'll get my coat]
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614

    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    I would have thought 18 years beforehand (or 16 years if in Scotland)

    [Apologies. I'll get my coat]
    Snap :smile:
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 812

    https://www.ft.com/content/6164b140-e4f2-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

    Brussels is piling pressure on the UK to resolve a 300-year-old Anglo-Spanish dispute over the Rock of Gibraltar if it wants to secure a quick deal on its post-Brexit transition period.

    What dispute?

    Have they never heard of the Treaty of Utrecht?
    A tory UK government will never sell out Gibraltar to do a UK/EU trade deal. If this is how the EU want to play it, we are surely heading for no deal Brexit. A definite walk away scenario
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 20,642
    edited December 2017
    A topical video from 1980, "Are the British bad Europeans? - Thames Debate":

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=x570FOQkJA0
  • TOPPING said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.

    Perhaps she would fit in better with the right of the Labour party then?

    After all for all the talk of purges the left of Labour have simply won democratic elections the purges of Labour people have come from the right of Labour over the last few years in an attempt to stall Corbyn.

    Although I guess when the purges are of people you don't like it is okay.....
    Welcome.

    Has the right of the Labour Party actually purged anyone?

    Apart from that old bloke who was heckling at one of the conferences?
    There was a purge of members who might be supportive of Corbyn on the most spurious of grounds in an attempt to block him winning the leadership second time around, there was also something more closely resembling a coup, than the internal Labour election victories of the left, in their attempts to unseat him from the leadership and the attempt to block him from appearing on the ballot in his second leadership win.

    It is hard to take peoples objections seriously when they have a problem when it doesn't suit them, especially as the 'purge' and 'coup' phrases seem to far more accurately describe the behavior of the right of the party. Elections can be won for all kinds of dirty reasons but the ascendancy of the Labour left within Labour is no more a coup than the electoral success of Thatcher and Blair within their parties and against other parties they have won by being more popular than their opponents, rightly or wrongly.

    And thanks for the welcome, been reading the site for a few months now seems one of the best for UK political discussion, props to whoever runs it. Also don't judge me too harshly on the name saw a few people say it and it made me laugh.
    Kate Hoey might be a popular purgee across the Labour Party?
  • Although some would probably like to replace here I imagine the biggest ideological groups within Labour have bigger fish to fry, those most against here would be remainers still annoyed about the referendum and her work with Farage on it. The left right split seems to be the bigger priority to most in regards to internal Labour struggles than the EU debate, to the point where John Mann who was a leave backing MP backed Owen Smith in the contest versus Corbyn even though Smith wanted a second referendum. Although he did give the excuse Smith was just saying it to win votes.

    That is my take on it anyway.

    I haven't got a problem with Hoey as a remain voter but I am more accepting of Brexit than a large section of remain voters.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,910
    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    What we are seeing now is Trump motivating Democrats to turn out in a way
    Obama struggled to do. If this trend continues there may be opportunities to undo some of the distortions caused by redistricting in Congress undermining the Republicans power base there.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,910
    Presumably the Lib Dem’s in North East Fife will stop mumping about how close they got now.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,614
    edited December 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:
    I responded by email, but another point:

    "Average asking prices" is not the same as "like-for-like transaction prices". If you were to put your flat on the market for £2.7bn, it would raise the average asking price in Camden, while indicating sweet fuck all.

    My flat is now valued at its highest ever by Zoopla. A big increase in the last few months. It is now worth double what I paid in 2009.

    As I said to you in another email, I think London is now too big to fail, like a massive bank during the crash. Too many rich powerful people are invested in its success, in so many ways, for it to sink. And its intrinsic attractions are multiple and unrepeatable.
    It had better be, the rest of us need to leech off its success to get though this!
    If everyone just buys bitcoin, we can all be rich!
    Vaguely related: the dutch tulip bubble was fake news. Apparently;

    "All the outlandish stories of economic ruin, of an innocent sailor thrown in prison for eating a tulip bulb, of chimney sweeps wading into the market in hopes of striking it rich—those come from propaganda pamphlets published by Dutch Calvinists worried that the tulip-propelled consumerism boom would lead to societal decay."

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/there-never-was-real-tulip-fever-180964915/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 20,614
    DavidL said:

    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    What we are seeing now is Trump motivating Democrats to turn out in a way
    Obama struggled to do. If this trend continues there may be opportunities to undo some of the distortions caused by redistricting in Congress undermining the Republicans power base there.

    It also reflects how gerrymandered a lot of state assemblies have been
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 9,827



    Kate Hoey might be a popular purgee across the Labour Party?

    No. Like the Jezziah (welcome!) I don't think EU membership is quite the seminal issue in Labour as it is in the Tory party. I don't like Kate's views on the EU (or fox-hunting) but she's a loyalist on most things and fiercely anti-Tory, and I wouldn't support a deselection. In general Tories are going to be disappointed how few deselections (if any) happen in Labour. There is intense competition for the vacant seats, but quite apart from Corbyn's dislike of personal stuff, it's obvious that deselection wars are against the party interest.
  • rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    What we are seeing now is Trump motivating Democrats to turn out in a way
    Obama struggled to do. If this trend continues there may be opportunities to undo some of the distortions caused by redistricting in Congress undermining the Republicans power base there.

    It also reflects how gerrymandered a lot of state assemblies have been

    Yep - and if Democrats do start winning state legislatures they get to redraw the boundaries for state and Congressional elections.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 9,827
    TGOHF said:

    From Soubry ? Seems harsh. Should imagine her local association will provide the revolver in 2022.
    Don't think so - she is Marmite locally but most Tory members really like her. Broxtowe has always chosen strong pro-Europeans (Soubry, me, Lester) even though the rural part of the seat delivered a Leave majority, and hard Brexiteers (indeed hard anything) are rare in this not very political patch. The Labour candidate is left-wing but as mild-mannered as me. Soubry's Achilles heel is her abrasive manner, which really does put some voters off (just as I had votes from people who didn't like my politics, because I'm a friendly soul), but that's less true of members, who like a doughty fighter.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 9,827
    Macron boomlet (now +8 in popularity after a rough spell):

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2017/12/19/97001-20171219FILWWW00022-popularite-forte-progression-de-macron.php

    Almost nothing happening in German opinion - Greens slightly up, liberal FDP slightly down (punished for rejecting the coalition, not a very centrist thing to do), everything else MOE.

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
  • It's surprising how few candidates the GOP fielded in the VA House of Delegates election. They were defending 66 seats and had candidates for all of them but only contested 6 Democrat-held seats, leaving 23 unopposed and 5 opposed by minor parties and independents. In a year that the Democratic activists were going to be highly motivated, allowing them to not even campaign in 23 of their own defences seems like an unforced error.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 18,207
    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    I supppse if you knocked them up 9 months before they might find it hard to walk to the polling station
  • PendduPenddu Posts: 127
    Just sold all of my Bitcoin for a very pleasing profit - but hanging on to my Ether through 2018.

    Putting my Bitcoin profits into Factom. Watch this space.....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 9,952

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    What we are seeing now is Trump motivating Democrats to turn out in a way
    Obama struggled to do. If this trend continues there may be opportunities to undo some of the distortions caused by redistricting in Congress undermining the Republicans power base there.

    It also reflects how gerrymandered a lot of state assemblies have been

    Yep - and if Democrats do start winning state legislatures they get to redraw the boundaries for state and Congressional elections.

    It’s sometimes difficult to regard the US as a properly functioning democracy. Gerrymnandering, little or no control on election spending etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 8,132

    TOPPING said:

    The sooner Nadine fucks off to UKIP the better.

    Or Momentum, her vileness will fit in right with those who want to expel anyone who doesn't believe in the one true faith.

    She's a cancer on the party.

    Perhaps she would fit in better with the right of the Labour party then?

    After all for all the talk of purges the left of Labour have simply won democratic elections the purges of Labour people have come from the right of Labour over the last few years in an attempt to stall Corbyn.

    Although I guess when the purges are of people you don't like it is okay.....
    Welcome.

    Has the right of the Labour Party actually purged anyone?

    Apart from that old bloke who was heckling at one of the conferences?
    There was a purge of members who might be supportive of Corbyn on the most spurious of grounds in an attempt to block him winning the leadership second time around, there was also something more closely resembling a coup, than the internal Labour election victories of the left, in their attempts to unseat him from the leadership and the attempt to block him from appearing on the ballot in his second leadership win.

    It is hard to take peoples objections seriously when they have a problem when it doesn't suit them, especially as the 'purge' and 'coup' phrases seem to far more accurately describe the behavior of the right of the party. Elections can be won for all kinds of dirty reasons but the ascendancy of the Labour left within Labour is no more a coup than the electoral success of Thatcher and Blair within their parties and against other parties they have won by being more popular than their opponents, rightly or wrongly.

    And thanks for the welcome, been reading the site for a few months now seems one of the best for UK political discussion, props to whoever runs it. Also don't judge me too harshly on the name saw a few people say it and it made me laugh.
    Welcome. I am glad my long-standing pun makes you laugh.

    Just remember he's not the Jezziah, he's a very naughty boy :smiley:
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 9,023
    DavidL said:

    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    The Dems beat out the Reps 53-to-43 statewide and could only get 50/50 in the house of delegates.

    "Strength in local politics" is a top quality euphemism.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,948
    What do our lawyers make of this case, and the questions it raises over NDAs ?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42417655
  • Good morning, everyone.

    Nice little story, which will add to the trend of red woe in the US. Be interesting to see, should he get them passed, what Trump's tax reforms do to the political landscape.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 18,174
    Nigelb said:

    What do our lawyers make of this case, and the questions it raises over NDAs ?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42417655

    As a decidedly non-lawyer. I'm amazed that NDAs can be used for such things. And the following seems odd:

    "They were advised that their best option was to take legal action against Weinstein. What followed eventually led to the signing of an agreement so shrouded in secrecy that Ms Perkins herself is not permitted to own a copy of the document, but can look at it under supervision."
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,910
    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    The Dems beat out the Reps 53-to-43 statewide and could only get 50/50 in the house of delegates.

    "Strength in local politics" is a top quality euphemism.
    One of my better efforts. The Electoral Commission may well be one of those worst options, other than all of the alternatives.
  • F1: missed this, but, along with cliches about threatening to walk, Ferrari's boss has said something else stupid (from BBC Gossip):

    "Ferrari President Sergio Marchionne also says his team will need to look into replacing Kimi Raikkonen should the Finn have another inconsistent season in 2018. (The Checkered Flag)"

    You just chose to retain him, idiot. Either back him or replace him, don't renew his contract then say "If he's as shit as last year we'll get a new driver." Oaf.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,948
    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    An exciting result but Virginia has been trending Democratic for some time now and was an easy win for Hilary last year. It is surprising that the Republicans have been so dominant in State politics for so long but this reflects their strength in local politics across the country.

    The Dems beat out the Reps 53-to-43 statewide and could only get 50/50 in the house of delegates.

    "Strength in local politics" is a top quality euphemism.
    Despite winning the governorship by I think 9%...
    And the Republicans still control the state senate for the next two years at least, so it's not clear that there will be any significant redistricting which reduces the gerrymandered advantage for a while.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,910

    Nigelb said:

    What do our lawyers make of this case, and the questions it raises over NDAs ?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42417655

    As a decidedly non-lawyer. I'm amazed that NDAs can be used for such things. And the following seems odd:

    "They were advised that their best option was to take legal action against Weinstein. What followed eventually led to the signing of an agreement so shrouded in secrecy that Ms Perkins herself is not permitted to own a copy of the document, but can look at it under supervision."
    My eyebrows rather went up at that point too. I think that there’s a place for NDAs but I am not sure this is it. This seems to me to be an illegal contract which the court would probably be unwilling to uphold contra bones mores. I certainly wouldn’t fancy going to the Court of Session seeking interim orders on the basis of such a document.
  • Good morning, everyone.

    Nice little story, which will add to the trend of red woe in the US. Be interesting to see, should he get them passed, what Trump's tax reforms do to the political landscape.

    Morning all,

    Seems highly likely Trump tax plan will pass now. Just a procedural issue to sort out now.

    God alone knows what this will do the world economy as US economy overheats.

    Never mind the drilling for oil in Artic wilderness that has been tacked on the end of the Bill.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 9,952
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    If nothing else this Virginia poll emphasises the importance of activists knocking up supporters as near to the time polling stations close as possible

    I supppse if you knocked them up 9 months before they might find it hard to walk to the polling station
    Gave me considerable inoocent amusement when, with a group of Americans, we goyt into strange jobs and I said that my grandfather had been a knocker-up in a cotton town.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,948

    Nigelb said:

    What do our lawyers make of this case, and the questions it raises over NDAs ?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42417655

    As a decidedly non-lawyer. I'm amazed that NDAs can be used for such things. And the following seems odd:

    "They were advised that their best option was to take legal action against Weinstein. What followed eventually led to the signing of an agreement so shrouded in secrecy that Ms Perkins herself is not permitted to own a copy of the document, but can look at it under supervision."
    And people ask why women didn't speak out sooner about Weinstein...

    I can understand the use of NDAs in civil matters (though they can still be obnoxious), but their use effectively to bury evidence of alleged crimes seems to go against all principles of justice. Why does the legal system accept this, let alone encourage it ?
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