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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,394
    Lordy, lordy Grayling as party chairman. Really?
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 779
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCHelenCatt: Breaking: Chris Grayling has been moved from Transport Secretary to Conservative Party Chairman #reshuffle

    Oh please let this be true!!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,735
    tpfkar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCHelenCatt: Breaking: Chris Grayling has been moved from Transport Secretary to Conservative Party Chairman #reshuffle

    Oh please let this be true!!
    Sky confirmed it
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 5,721
    Oh FFS, Grayling?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 18,176
    HHemmelig said:

    Well you do seem to be incapable of reading yes. I mentioned the details of the book in my post replying to Casino Royale at 1105. Nothing wrong with not being a graduate but you present yourself on here as some kind of know-it-all professor of technology. Without multiple degrees that has to make you a bit of a Walter Mitty.

    Again, you seem to think that degrees are necessary to have knowledge. That is simply wrong.

    Thanks for that link - I'm sorry, I missed that post. However it should be noted that Richard Faulkner, the author, is a Labour peer. Therefore it might not be an (ahem) unbiased portrayal of Thatchers relationship with the railways. I might suggest you actually look at what happened during that period.

    And since you evidently need links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Faulkner,_Baron_Faulkner_of_Worcester

    I'm sorry of you feel like I'm a 'Walter Mitty' type. There's probably little I can do to dissuade you of that, as you evidently won't believe me because I don't have a degree.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,054
    tpfkar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCHelenCatt: Breaking: Chris Grayling has been moved from Transport Secretary to Conservative Party Chairman #reshuffle

    Oh please let this be true!!
    TM meritocrat OR forever rewarding failure.
  • I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,394

    Oh FFS, Grayling?

    I suppose the only saving grace for Con is that he'll be out the door in 2020 when TM goes.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 13,099
    murali_s said:

    Who cares about any re-shuffle? - it's just a few political anoraks who get a bit hot under the collar.

    For 99.9% of the population, this means nothing. We'll still have a terribly under-funded NHS, we'll still have an education system that is not delivering, we'll still be getting poorer, year on year (apart from the tax-dodging rich), we'll still have a third world privatised railway where the Government can find a huge amount of money to pay to one of the incompetent corrupt railway operators. You get the point people?

    The only thing that needs to reshuffle is the clueless, heartless and incompetent Tory Government being ejected out. Hope it is this year but not holding my breath...

    The site is devoted to politcal betting. If you don't care about the reshuffle, you're in the wrong place.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 26,236
    edited January 8

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    So you didn't see my reply to SO.......

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 7,510

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    The DfT?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 12,944

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    Dunno. I suspect John McD will be cracking open the people's champagne when he hears the news.
  • I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    So you didn't see my reply to SO.......

    Apologies.
  • tlg86 said:

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    The DfT?
    Chapeau
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,578

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    Jeremy Corbyn?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,735

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    I am not at all impressed with Grayling and doubt he will excite the membership but at least we may get a transport secretary who can resolve the issues on the railways
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,054
    Hold the horses everyone, Grayling still not confirmed - another source has just told me it is Brandon Lewis to Tory HQ - we'll know v soon - LK
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 10,622

    Mr. Simon, perfectly reasonable take on events.

    If you'd said it on Twitter you would've been denounced for mansplaining :p

    Yet another good reason for never posting there!

    If Gracie has anyone to blame, it is probably her agent who didn't secure her a better deal.
    Even mansplainers need a safe space.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 779

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    Nonsense - I imagine that many people belonging to other political parties will be only too happy at this appointment. I certainly am.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 1,222

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    Head and shoulders above the rest.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 12,944

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    So you didn't see my reply to SO.......

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 61,065
    edited January 8
    Mrs May couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,394
    edited January 8

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    So you didn't see my reply to SO.......

    Oh!

    Looks like the reshuffle's already starting to fall apart and we're only a few minutes in... ;)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,735
    edited January 8
    Sky now saying not sure about Grayling appointment
  • MattWMattW Posts: 1,813
    edited January 8
    >This all takes some of the focus on whether or not Toby Young he is going to be allowed to carry on with his new university watchdog role. I don’t think however, that this issue is going to go away.

    Of course they are going to keep talking about it! There is a set of people who do not feel human unless they are expressing hatred for Tories, which includes a lot of crazier leftists.

    Remember the "Spreadsheet of 36 Tory Sex Pests/Harrassers", which was described as such by any number of online activists. A large proportion of it was completely innocuous. But that did not stop them. Key bloggers (*) and Corbyn's usual boosters were reporting the stuff as fact, and gullibles believed it all.

    When we are wading through the sewers we have to ignore a lot of the "residue", even if it is being circulated by former journalists such as Mr Mason.

    * http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/is-theresa-may-going-to-suspend-any-of.html

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 25,278

    Carrie Gracie - how noble is it to resign from a post when you already have another significant job within the same organisation?

    Different regional editors have different sorts of jobs - the US Editor has a much larger role to play in newsmaking than the China Editor - so it really doesn't strike me as unreasonable that the US Editor is paid more than the China Editor. The two roles might have the same title - but they don't have the same level of activity or importance.

    The same goes for the Middle East Editor - the news that is coming out of that region is far more central to the news operation.

    China will become increasingly important - but at this point in world history, the US and Middle East are more prominent in global news terms.

    It seems totally reasonable to have various tiers in terms of Regional Editor pay scales - each region will have different numbers of reporters, journalists and technicians and so reflecting this in the pay of the Editor would seem appropriate.

    Nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the actual jobs being done.

    In terms of recruitment, it will be easier to find someone of high quality to cover the US. A China editor will need to speak and read fluent Chinese, have the skills to gain the trust of non-regime-friendly contacts, learn how to navigate the tangential signals that are often sent out by authoritarian regimes that dare not spell out the reality, find stories the regime would like to cover up and operate generally within a country that does not permit free speech or thought. Put another way, you can find plenty of good journalists to be a US Editor, far fewer to be a China one. Or put another way, the BBC probably does not need to be paying Jon Sopel close to what he is actually getting.

    But how many people have heard of Gracie before the last 24 hours? Very few, I would imagine.

    Different editorial roles have different profiles - and hence different pay rates.

    And when it comes to these significant appointments, agents are frequently involved - getting the best deals for their clients.

    We pay our journalists on ability and availability, not on level. I understand the BBC is different. I am merely arguing it shouldn’t be. That’s not a case for saying Gracie should get more, but that Sopel is getting too much.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,948
    Jonathan said:

    Grayling is a colossus...

    Solid stone from ear to ear ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,054
    I’m told there’s “internal pushback” against Chris Grayling to CCHQ. Hence confusion and Teeet deletion
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 7,510
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm sure Carlotta and Mortimer will defend the Grayling appointment but apart from those two can't see anyone else outside of Grayling's family cheering at this appointment.

    So you didn't see my reply to SO.......

    Oh!

    Looks like the reshuffle's already starting to fall apart and we're only a few minutes in... ;)
    What was the one where Charles Clarke was announced as something and then he said "err, no."
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,735
    Brandon Lewis in no 10 - party chairman
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,394
    edited January 8

    Mrs May couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory

    Surely she could come up with someone a bit more "exciting" as party chairman than Grayling?

    Even George Osborne would be acceptable!
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 7,196

    I’m told there’s “internal pushback” against Chris Grayling to CCHQ. Hence confusion and Teeet deletion

    Have they met him?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 1,038
    Well, this is all going very well.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 26,236
    MattW said:

    >This all takes some of the focus on whether or not Toby Young he is going to be allowed to carry on with his new university watchdog role.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 3,249

    I’m told there’s “internal pushback” against Chris Grayling to CCHQ. Hence confusion and Teeet deletion

    She’s managed to find probably the only way to look weaker if that’s the case.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,735
    GIN1138 said:

    Mrs May couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory

    Surely she could come up with someone a bit more "exciting" as party chairman than Grayling?

    Even George Osborne would be acceptable!
    Brandon Lewis next party chairman by looks of it
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 40,084
    Mr. B, wasn't the Colossus* made of hollow bronze?

    *of Rhodes, which is usually the one people mean, although technically any statue of a human which is larger than life size is a colossus. As a side note, it was commissioned after Demetrius Poliorcetes, one of the Diadochi, failed in a lengthy siege to conquer the island. Poliorcetes means 'the Besieger' and this has led some to believe the nickname is, in fact, sarcastic.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,394

    GIN1138 said:

    Mrs May couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory

    Surely she could come up with someone a bit more "exciting" as party chairman than Grayling?

    Even George Osborne would be acceptable!
    Brandon Lewis next party chairman by looks of it
    That sounds more interesting.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 26,236

    I’m told there’s “internal pushback” against Chris Grayling to CCHQ. Hence confusion and Teeet deletion

    Either that.....or the journalists were wrong about Grayling......'May cock-up' or 'Journalist cock up' - which do you think they'll run with?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,054
    Ian Dunt

    Verified account

    @IanDunt
    5m5 minutes ago
    More
    Quick reminder: There is no question to which 'Chris Grayling' is the answer.


    Apart from who was Tory Chair for 3 minutes this morning!!!!
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 779
    Am trying to write up notes from project meeting on Friday. But this reshuffle is just too entertaining so far. Strong and stable, or a very stable genius?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,948

    Mr. B, wasn't the Colossus* made of hollow bronze?

    *of Rhodes, which is usually the one people mean, although technically any statue of a human which is larger than life size is a colossus. As a side note, it was commissioned after Demetrius Poliorcetes, one of the Diadochi, failed in a lengthy siege to conquer the island. Poliorcetes means 'the Besieger' and this has led some to believe the nickname is, in fact, sarcastic.

    As you point out, Mr.D, "technically any statue of a human which is larger than life size is a colossus" - but the alternate description of a hollow metallic cranium seems equally plausible in this case.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 33,890
    @MrHarryCole: Brandon Lewis is the new Conservative Party Chairman.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 12,894
    Conservative Cabinet Confusion ....

    Considerable Libation Cock-Up In Vast Drinks Emporium In Play ....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 18,066

    I’m told there’s “internal pushback” against Chris Grayling to CCHQ. Hence confusion and Teeet deletion

    Either that.....or the journalists were wrong about Grayling......'May cock-up' or 'Journalist cock up' - which do you think they'll run with?
    Don't forget that there was also a CCHQ cock-up.

    This is one of those days when twitter is never wrong for long.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 12,944
    Scott_P said:
    I see clown-car town is still fully operational then.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,735
    edited January 8
    Scott_P said:
    Likely that will be 'was' political director
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 5,721
    and this is the bloke in charge of CCHQ... explains a lot.

    FFS tories, you're just making Corbyn PM step by step more likely.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 12,944
    Why is the Political Director directly posting on the main twitter feed? That's a job for junior press officer (social media).
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,394

    I’m told there’s “internal pushback” against Chris Grayling to CCHQ. Hence confusion and Teeet deletion

    Either that.....or the journalists were wrong about Grayling......'May cock-up' or 'Journalist cock up' - which do you think they'll run with?
    Presumably journalists got it from the Con Twitter account who announced Grayling was party chair?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 3,948
    tpfkar said:

    Am trying to write up notes from project meeting on Friday. But this reshuffle is just too entertaining so far. Strong and stable, or a very stable genius?

    A stable full of something. Perhaps not geniuses, though.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 779
    Sounds like Chris Grayling is to party chairmen as John Hurt is to Doctor Who!
  • NEW THREAD

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 3,249

    Why is the Political Director directly posting on the main twitter feed? That's a job for junior press officer (social media).
    I wonder if he took charge on the big day to avoid screwups...
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,250
    New thread
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 26,236
    edited January 8


    And wasn't there one where Blair abolished a position when legally, he couldn't.....? And there was the chap who tried to resign to an overtired Cameron who didn't hear him....
  • JackWJackW Posts: 12,894
    Former Conservative Party Chairman, Chris Grayling, has issued the following statement :

    "During my considerable tenure as Chairman much has been achieved. Not least the stability of the government in trying times. Unemployment has fallen by two and inflation remains on course. I have steadied the electoral situation and no seats have been lost at either local or national level.

    I'd like to thank the Prime Minister for the opportunity to serve the Conservative Party as Chairman at such length and look forward to further opportunities to bring my experience in that post to other positions."
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