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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Meanwhile a slight increase in approval for the handling of Brexit negotiations but even less confidence about what’ll happen

In what I think is the first published political polling of 2018 the latest ORB Brexit trackers are out.

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  • Promoted to first amongst equals...
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,195

    Promoted to first amongst equals...

    Bah, my post went on to the other thread. Gauke is Justice Secretary, good news for some punters.
  • Promoted to first amongst equals...

    Bah, my post went on to the other thread. Gauke is Justice Secretary, good news for some punters.
    Hurrah.

    The Gauke is uncorked.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 4,239

    Promoted to first amongst equals...

    I am sure that we are all pleased for you.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,502
    Any news on Chris Grayling?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 11,618
    Jonathan said:

    Any news on Chris Grayling?

    Has Hunt sent out for pizza yet?
  • Jonathan said:

    Any news on Chris Grayling?

    Did a great stint as Party Chair today.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 339
    BigGNorthWales

    Betsi Cadwalladr is a national disaster, but it is not the whole story.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 17,278
    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 779
    Jonathan said:

    Any news on Chris Grayling?

    Grayling to DWP?

    Nervous about Gauke leaving DWP - this is no time for a newcomer to make a mess of it, with Universal Credit in such a precarious state. However no question that he's got the qualifications for Justice. DWP replacement will be key now. Time for the Moggmeister?
  • Promoted to first amongst equals...

    Saw yesterday’s highlights, is Erik Lamela the new Roberto Soldado?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879
    Said on the previous thread that Esther McVey has quite a lot of relevant experience of DWP. To take over from Gauke? Delivering Universal Credit is going to be seriously important for this government's prospects.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110
    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?
  • Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,502

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    Gauke is one of the few members of the cabinet that isn't shit. Wonder if DoJ has role to play in Brexit and he has to look after that.
  • JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    I’ve come to the conclusion she’s playing the long game.

    Five years of a Corbyn government will usher in a 1,000 year long Tory government.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 17,278

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,502
    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110
    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
  • Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,909
    FPT as more relevant here:
    HYUFD said:

    No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movement
    Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 17,278

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
    Good point.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275
    Reshuffle latest:

    Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
    You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?
  • Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
    Good point.
    Plus I’m assuming he’ll get a boost because of one of the first things he’ll do as Justice Secretary is order a review into The Parole Board.

    Easy win.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275
    Jonathan said:

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    Gauke is one of the few members of the cabinet that isn't shit. Wonder if DoJ has role to play in Brexit and he has to look after that.
    Gauke is a class act. I saw him explain to a firm of senior accountants changes in tax policy once and he had a great command of his brief.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 15,909
    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
    Good point.
    Plus I’m assuming he’ll get a boost because of one of the first things he’ll do as Justice Secretary is order a review into The Parole Board.

    Easy win.
    The public floggings will be popular.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,195
    Anazina said:

    Reshuffle latest:

    Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

    Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quickly :D
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    Anazina said:

    Reshuffle latest:

    Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

    Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quickly :D
    One of the best ever memes on PB – admired as a lurker.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,502
    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 10,388
    Could this "reshuffle" be Theresa May's final mistake?

    If all she ends up doing is highlighting again how weak her position still is she might find the 1922 finally decide to pull the plug...
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 7,188
    FPT: ... and Tobygate is being hyped to distract from a dull reshuffle whose highlight will be some bloke we've never heard of swapping jobs with a woman we don't care about.

    Is it too early to campaign for poster of the year?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 978
    Well this has to go down as one of the more boring reshuffles in recent history, the Grayling confusion being the only real talking point at the moment. Does hint at PMs authority still being somewhat shaky as she can’t really dictate big moves for anyone if they want to stay put.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 1,486
    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 8,838
    I have just cleared out a series of emails from Brandon Lewis all marked as spam.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,399
    May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,654

    BigGNorthWales

    Betsi Cadwalladr is a national disaster, but it is not the whole story.

    And that is our hospital
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 978
    GIN1138 said:

    Could this "reshuffle" be Theresa May's final mistake?

    If all she ends up doing is highlighting again how weak her position still is she might find the 1922 finally decide to pull the plug...

    She’s probably safe until March 2019. After that who knows.
  • DavidL said:

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
    You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?
    It were the three year long sanctions that are pretty reprehensible.
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,013

    Anazina said:

    Reshuffle latest:

    Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.

    Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quickly :D
    Almost as if she is a retread :)
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110
    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879

    DavidL said:

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.
    Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.
    If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.
    You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?
    It were the three year long sanctions that are pretty reprehensible.
    The whole sanctions regime is a public disgrace, punishing the inept and the incompetent and creating little Hitlers with targets to meet who seem indifferent to the hardship they cause but that is not just a UC problem.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879

    May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

    The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,399

    Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.

    But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.

    This helps that immensely.

    Gauke moved sideways without trace.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 978
    edited January 8
    If Greening DOES get DWP as was suggested by some sources this morning it completes the narrative of ‘completely different type of reshuffle to what we thought it was going to be at this time yesterday’.


  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,399
    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?


    White trash but richer - like Trump.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 7,188

    Well this has to go down as one of the more boring reshuffles in recent history, the Grayling confusion being the only real talking point at the moment. Does hint at PMs authority still being somewhat shaky as she can’t really dictate big moves for anyone if they want to stay put.

    Any minister with more than a handful of supporters can resist the PM since she would almost certainly lose any leadership election. She knows it and so does everyone else -- I suspect
    even those "supporters" who urge her to axe Boris or whoever do not have Theresa May's best interests at heart.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 308
    Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

    Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275
    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
  • felixfelix Posts: 7,013
    Surely this so far for the senior moves is largely as predicted. More changes expected in the junior ranks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 22,589
    FPT: "Helpfully, the Mail is full of pictures of young ladies with no underwear wearing some hideous black dresses. It looks like they're all at a Convention of Widowed Tarts."

    Is that you, Toby?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 17,278
    Damian Hinds, minister of state at the department for work and pensions, has arrived at Number 10, the BBC reports.

    That looks interesting..
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 22,589
    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110
    The irony is of course that she could have had a radical sweeping reshuffle and got away with it with no difficulty. The party as a whole is simply demanding the 'smack of firm government' (and please no sniggering at the back there). And she's flunked it yet again.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 18,051
    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 6,276

    Damian Hinds, minister of state at the department for work and pensions, has arrived at Number 10, the BBC reports.

    That looks interesting..

    What's his rep?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

    Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

    Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,399
    DavidL said:

    May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

    The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.
    David L

    You are David Lidington and I claim my prize.

    Congrats on Cabinet Sec posting.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 22,589
    Anazina said:

    Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

    Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

    Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.
    Are you a teacher?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 18,051
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 1,486
    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    We have enough hyperpartisanship on this site already. We don’t need more.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 7,195
    Karen Bradley to Belfast.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 25,263
    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 7,502

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
    Solving other parties problems is easier.

    First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

    Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

    Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
  • Karen Bradley to Belfast.

    Called it.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 6,276

    Karen Bradley to Belfast.

    Her job is simple... on paper at least...
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    It's not too late to shift Liam 'Cunning' Fox to the brief.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 978
    Anazina said:

    Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

    Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

    Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.
    I would be disappointed if she left cabinet (although it’s starting to look like, given the trend today, she won’t). I’ve always thought she’s a good egg. I’m not sure she set the world alight at DfT (though we haven’t had a good transport secretary for some time) but otherwise seems to have done OK.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 18,051

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879

    DavidL said:

    May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.

    The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.
    David L

    You are David Lidington and I claim my prize.

    Congrats on Cabinet Sec posting.
    I would like to say that was defamatory but I suspect the Jury would say: who?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275
    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    We have enough hyperpartisanship on this site already. We don’t need more.
    Agreed, put the cat out on your way out.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    Anazina said:

    Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.

    Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.

    Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.
    Are you a teacher?
    Nope.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110
    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
  • Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.

    IT IS ON

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 17,879

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Have we not had enough excitement for one day already? That will be tomorrow's treat.
  • JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    Yup, I'd take Theresa May as Prime Minister over Jeremy Corbyn as PM any day of the week for the next Millennium,
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 13,690
    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    Sad to say that description applies to practically the whole of Parliament these days. This lot have the chance to show it because they are in power. The other lot with their various hangers on will probably get the chance to show it after 2022.

    I do not expect things to get noticeably better under the stewardship of either main party with their current leaderships.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 22,589
    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.

    He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.

    We all can.
    Solving other parties problems is easier.

    First you have decide on Boris once and for all.

    Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove

    Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
    I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.

    Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,654
    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside
  • Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 25,263
    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.

    A cabinet full of dullards and incompetents - there only because they represent one faction or another inside the Conservative party - is inevitably causing harm. That's the consequence of not choosing the best available talent.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275
    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,399

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Wasn't he sacked from the Dept for Brexit
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 6,276

    Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.

    IT IS ON

    Will there be a new minister for digital I wonder or will he keep the brief...
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside
    And more likely it won't. Not that the Leavers will care. As long as they get blue passports and stop the 'foreigners' coming here, they will be happy enough.
  • Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Wasn't he sacked from the Dept for Brexit
    No.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,110
    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.
    You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?
    Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 4,399

    Anazina said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Anazina said:

    ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
    image

    That is sure the key metric.
    Only to Remainers.
    True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.
    I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upside

    So what do you think of the Lib Dems Exit from Brexit policy?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 18,051

    Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?

    Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?
    Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.
    Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 275

    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    Sad to say that description applies to practically the whole of Parliament these days. This lot have the chance to show it because they are in power. The other lot with their various hangers on will probably get the chance to show it after 2022.

    I do not expect things to get noticeably better under the stewardship of either main party with their current leaderships.
    I completely agree with your analysis Richard.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 22,589

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.
    I think we might get the conscious decoupling via an EEA light that you were looking for, with slow divergence, actually.

    But, let's wait and see.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 10,654
    Anazina said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JohnO said:

    I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?

    Er, yes. That has been obvious for some time, but your lot have some kind of fetish for more punishment.
    But who can take her place at present? And certainly not your grim and ghastly crowd.
    Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.
    And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.
    It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.
    And one that you almost supported.
    I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.
    You have just insulted at least 40% of the population
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