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  • Re: politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » NEW PB/Polling Matters podcast: Queen’s Speech, Brexit negotia

    @Casino...if you think Brexit is going to lance the Tory boil on Europe you are bonkers.

    You Brexiters are so deluded. I guess like ISIS, your rampant, destructive, obsessional, ideology kind of impairs your judgement ever so slightly.
    Calm down, and think of your tax avoidance.
    and freetochoose.....

    I live in the UK now...I had to come back after Brexit because my Italian wife never took up citizenship here. I don't know if you can even remotely being to understand the anxieties that Brexit has created for millions of individuals who have contributed to our economy over many years...and for what? Rising inflation, squeezed living standards, political uncertainty,. a threat to the union and the prospect of courting favour with extreme regimes to get grubby trade deals through.
    There was nothing to stop you staying in Italy.
    Thank you for your opinion. My wife and I paid for legal advice and explored all options based on our circumstances....and in leaving Italy my wife has left elderly Italian parents that were virtually dependent on us...all I needed to do instead was ask your advice instead.....
    I don't think people in the UK realised we were citizens of Europe that is to say 28 countries before this madness took hold. An Italian friend is having the same problem in reverse. He and his English wife have no idea what their status will be and it's causing them much grief.
  • Re: politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » NEW PB/Polling Matters podcast: Queen’s Speech, Brexit negotia


    Corbyn has always been anti-EU - he sees it as a capitalist construct designed to entrench corporate interests and to prevent one-state socialism through prohibitions on state aid and the like. He hid away during the referendum campaign and deliberately sought to sabotage the Labour Remain effort. He also refused to share a platform with David Cameron. It is very likely that if he had campaigned for Remain as he campaigned in May and June, we would not now be leaving the EU.

    Corbyn's problem, though, is that he leads a party which is very largely pro-EU and profoundly against a hard Brexit. If it comes to it - which it may well not - his choice is to walk through the lobbies with the rest of the PLP, abstain or to walk through the lobbies with the Tories. My guess is that he will not do the latter.

    What do you consider a hard Brexit? If we get tariff free trade is that a hard Brexit or a soft one? If we agree that all EU citizens who were here in June have indefinite leave to remain is that then a soft Brexit?

    I can't help but think that these terms, let alone terms like diamond Brexit have become vacuous. What the government says it is looking for is not in my view a hard Brexit. Do you agree?
    Guido said it right the other day:
    https://order-order.com/2017/06/20/soft-and-hard-brexit-terms-obsolete/
    Remainers and their media allies need to be honest about what they mean when they talk about “soft Brexit”. If “soft Brexit” means staying inside the single market (not taking back control of borders), staying inside the customs union (not taking back control of trade), and staying inside the ECJ (not taking back control of laws), then that is not Brexit. Hammond and other Remainers in the Cabinet have accepted this. Only hardcore Remainers don’t.

    This language is used exclusively by Remain supporters, Brexiters reject it entirely.
    Because Guido wishes it were so and is trying to create an associated narrative does not make it so. Brexit will be whatever the hell the government says it will be.

    We are leaving the EU. The rest is literally details.
    You make a good point. The octogenarians of Hartlepool hadn't the faintest idea what the EU were about other than they were filtching £350,000,000 a week and they had a penchant for Turks so when a deal is done however disadvantageous they're unlikely to be disappointed.
  • Re: politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The pressure ratchets up on beleaguered Theresa

    There's no such thing as a 'decent' Brexit. The whole shebang was based on lies and fears that were deliberately cooked up and unfounded. There never was £350 million. The Turks were never invading. The whole thing was a nonsense designed to appeal to people's greed and fears and among the less educated it worked. The 17,000,000 Remainers will never accept it and the Leavers when they finally understand they've been conned will rebel.

    Theresa needs to be grown up show leadership and call it off. Another Referendum if necessary but in preference a letter to the EU apologising for wasting everyone's time and begging to be reinstated on existing terms. Otherwise When the shit hits the fan on this Brexit there will be riots and demonstrations the like of which we haven't seen. They'll make the Days of Danny Cohn Bendit Tariq Ali and the '68 riots at the Sorbonne look like a pillow fight.
  • Re: politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Why TMay must stay – for now

    Franlky, May has to go and soon.. three months max.. The Tories have fecked themselves good and proper. I cannot see how they can win the next election. The prospect of Corbyn frightens the life out of a lot of people inc me..
    She should have announced she was going yesterday. The government can't just carry on as if nothing happened.
    Yep. How can such a weakened PM negotiate in our interests?
    That's why there needs to be a leadership contest.
    'Not another one!'

    No more leadership contests. Just abandon Brexit and then the government can roll along quite comfortably with a non majority government as many countries do. Brexit is the problem not Theresa May's lack of a majority.
    We can't cancel Brexit. We have to still respect the referendum result.
    The country were asked a stupid question. The 48% with the intelligence to know it voted one way. The 52% who didn't voted another.

    Imagine someone said

    'Do you want to get rid of the civil service'?

    'What does that mean?'

    'It means we'll save a fortune'

    'Really?'

    'And we can stop foreigners using our NHS for nothing'

    'Really?'

    'And a rebate for all of us of £350,000,000 a week!'

    'Really? And the downside??'

    'Nothing!'

    'I'm in!!!!!'

    So now the country is irrevocably divided. The government asked for a mandate to see it through. Like most stupid questions it got a stupid answer. 'You can't have one unless you get the support of ten homophobes'.

    It's barking mad.

    Stop it now!
  • Re: politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Why TMay must stay – for now

    Franlky, May has to go and soon.. three months max.. The Tories have fecked themselves good and proper. I cannot see how they can win the next election. The prospect of Corbyn frightens the life out of a lot of people inc me..
    She should have announced she was going yesterday. The government can't just carry on as if nothing happened.
    She is doomed, and could lose a vote of confidence at anytime. The next election is not so far away, and not likely to be at a time of the Tories choice. Indeed it is likely to be in the midst of some Parliamentary crisis or other.

    Other parties need to stay fit and prepare, and Labour needs to re-shuffle its front bench to get some big hitters back in. Some areas of policy need serious preparatory work as Labour is likely to be in government before Brexit happens.
    Chuka has said that he is open to coming back to the Shadow Cabinet.

    Even Paul Mason approves:


    Think PLP will be united behind Corbyn now.

    Agreed - the left has won. Corbyn must now show real leadership, reach out to other parts of the party and build a shadow front bench that makes use of all the talent Labour has. He needs to show voters that Labour is a serious government in waiting.

    I think it's a rebellion against the old order more than Corbynmania. Theresa May's campaign was loathsome. You could see what people made of it every time there was a studio audience. Many weren't accepting of the xenophobia and the tedious soundbites. Nuttall was booed almost every time he opened his mouth.

    I'm sure it's a zeitgeist thing picked up first by the young and exacerbated by Brexit and the xenophobia implicit in it. Corbyn just seemed the most radical choice on offer. I sense things will move in unexpected ways in the coming months and the stresses put on this minority government by Brexit could well bring it down.