I don't think people in the UK realised we were citizens of Europe that is to say 28 countries before this madness took hold. An Italian friend is having the same problem in reverse. He and his English wife have no idea what their status will be and it's causing them much grief.Thank you for your opinion. My wife and I paid for legal advice and explored all options based on our circumstances....and in leaving Italy my wife has left elderly Italian parents that were virtually dependent on us...all I needed to do instead was ask your advice instead.....There was nothing to stop you staying in Italy.and freetochoose.....@Casino...if you think Brexit is going to lance the Tory boil on Europe you are bonkers.Calm down, and think of your tax avoidance.
You Brexiters are so deluded. I guess like ISIS, your rampant, destructive, obsessional, ideology kind of impairs your judgement ever so slightly.
I live in the UK now...I had to come back after Brexit because my Italian wife never took up citizenship here. I don't know if you can even remotely being to understand the anxieties that Brexit has created for millions of individuals who have contributed to our economy over many years...and for what? Rising inflation, squeezed living standards, political uncertainty,. a threat to the union and the prospect of courting favour with extreme regimes to get grubby trade deals through.
You make a good point. The octogenarians of Hartlepool hadn't the faintest idea what the EU were about other than they were filtching £350,000,000 a week and they had a penchant for Turks so when a deal is done however disadvantageous they're unlikely to be disappointed.Because Guido wishes it were so and is trying to create an associated narrative does not make it so. Brexit will be whatever the hell the government says it will be.Guido said it right the other day:What do you consider a hard Brexit? If we get tariff free trade is that a hard Brexit or a soft one? If we agree that all EU citizens who were here in June have indefinite leave to remain is that then a soft Brexit?Corbyn has always been anti-EU - he sees it as a capitalist construct designed to entrench corporate interests and to prevent one-state socialism through prohibitions on state aid and the like. He hid away during the referendum campaign and deliberately sought to sabotage the Labour Remain effort. He also refused to share a platform with David Cameron. It is very likely that if he had campaigned for Remain as he campaigned in May and June, we would not now be leaving the EU.
Corbyn's problem, though, is that he leads a party which is very largely pro-EU and profoundly against a hard Brexit. If it comes to it - which it may well not - his choice is to walk through the lobbies with the rest of the PLP, abstain or to walk through the lobbies with the Tories. My guess is that he will not do the latter.
I can't help but think that these terms, let alone terms like diamond Brexit have become vacuous. What the government says it is looking for is not in my view a hard Brexit. Do you agree?
Remainers and their media allies need to be honest about what they mean when they talk about “soft Brexit”. If “soft Brexit” means staying inside the single market (not taking back control of borders), staying inside the customs union (not taking back control of trade), and staying inside the ECJ (not taking back control of laws), then that is not Brexit. Hammond and other Remainers in the Cabinet have accepted this. Only hardcore Remainers don’t.
This language is used exclusively by Remain supporters, Brexiters reject it entirely.
We are leaving the EU. The rest is literally details.
The country were asked a stupid question. The 48% with the intelligence to know it voted one way. The 52% who didn't voted another.We can't cancel Brexit. We have to still respect the referendum result.'Not another one!'That's why there needs to be a leadership contest.Yep. How can such a weakened PM negotiate in our interests?Franlky, May has to go and soon.. three months max.. The Tories have fecked themselves good and proper. I cannot see how they can win the next election. The prospect of Corbyn frightens the life out of a lot of people inc me..She should have announced she was going yesterday. The government can't just carry on as if nothing happened.
No more leadership contests. Just abandon Brexit and then the government can roll along quite comfortably with a non majority government as many countries do. Brexit is the problem not Theresa May's lack of a majority.
I think it's a rebellion against the old order more than Corbynmania. Theresa May's campaign was loathsome. You could see what people made of it every time there was a studio audience. Many weren't accepting of the xenophobia and the tedious soundbites. Nuttall was booed almost every time he opened his mouth.Agreed - the left has won. Corbyn must now show real leadership, reach out to other parts of the party and build a shadow front bench that makes use of all the talent Labour has. He needs to show voters that Labour is a serious government in waiting.Chuka has said that he is open to coming back to the Shadow Cabinet.She is doomed, and could lose a vote of confidence at anytime. The next election is not so far away, and not likely to be at a time of the Tories choice. Indeed it is likely to be in the midst of some Parliamentary crisis or other.Franlky, May has to go and soon.. three months max.. The Tories have fecked themselves good and proper. I cannot see how they can win the next election. The prospect of Corbyn frightens the life out of a lot of people inc me..She should have announced she was going yesterday. The government can't just carry on as if nothing happened.
Other parties need to stay fit and prepare, and Labour needs to re-shuffle its front bench to get some big hitters back in. Some areas of policy need serious preparatory work as Labour is likely to be in government before Brexit happens.
Even Paul Mason approves:
Think PLP will be united behind Corbyn now.